<div dir="ltr"><a href="http://213.114.137.49/use/rc_enc_02.htm">http://213.114.137.49/use/rc_enc_02.htm</a><br><div><br></div><div>this looks interesting... 6 channels</div><div><br></div><div>could the rate be hacked to go higher ? </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:57 AM, Roman Sowa <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:modular@go2.pl" target="_blank">modular@go2.pl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Creating PWM from CV is pretty easy, I haven't thought it requires explaining. Simply sawtooth oscillator and comparator.<br>
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But you're right about the latency in RC world, I was typing faster than thinking. RC devices have low update rate considering modular use. After a quick check I see the fastest models have 11ms latency, and they are all pure digital anyway.<br>
<br>
Roman<br>
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W dniu 2017-05-26 o 09:31, <a href="mailto:rsdio@audiobanshee.com" target="_blank">rsdio@audiobanshee.com</a> pisze:<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
My point is that the original question did not assume PWM already<br>
existed, or even digital.<br>
<br>
The original question concerned wireless modular linking of analog<br>
CV. Quincas asked whether a uP and ADC were necessary, or if there<br>
was a simple analog way to do it. I don't know of a simple way to<br>
create a PWM signal from an analog voltage (although I'm not assuming<br>
it doesn't exist just because I don't know about it :-)<br>
<br>
It could be more trouble to create PWM so that you can use RC, rather<br>
than simply use FM via some other method.<br>
<br>
The latency that you complain about in a digital word protocol would<br>
not necessarily be worse than the 50 Hz update rate of the RC<br>
solution. That's a 20 millisecond latency right there for the RC<br>
method. In that length of time, a 100 kbps digital protocol could<br>
transfer 2,000 bits, which is more than enough bandwidth for 8<br>
channels of 16-bit words. I'm thinking that a digital protocol would<br>
actually be lower latency than RC updates.<br>
<br>
Another issue is that the RC solution is limited to a 50 Hz sample<br>
rate, whereas the digital word protocol could manage a higher sample<br>
rate - maybe even 16 times the sample rate. Fortunately, the RC<br>
solution does seem to sample all channels at 50 Hz, but that's a<br>
fairly low limit.<br>
<br>
Brian<br>
<br>
<br>
On May 25, 2017, at 11:43 PM, Roman Sowa <<a href="mailto:modular@go2.pl" target="_blank">modular@go2.pl</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
PWM is digital output, so what's your point? Using digital words<br>
over this radio module would require much higher bandwidth, they<br>
usually are limited to 100kbps, sometimes much less. Higher<br>
bandwidth models don't have keying input but take SPI or I2C,<br>
packetize it and send embeded in some protocol, sometimes with<br>
2-way link. That creates latency.<br>
<br>
As Matthias just said, this is what RC control uses, TDM-ed<br>
multiple PW. This is the best solution I think. One visit in RC<br>
store and your wireless connectivity project finished, just add<br>
filters to servo outputs of the receiver, as their output is PWM.<br>
<br>
Roman<br>
<br>
W dniu 2017-05-25 o 22:52, <a href="mailto:rsdio@audiobanshee.com" target="_blank">rsdio@audiobanshee.com</a> pisze:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
FSK and ASK both assume digital input. If you want to send<br>
analog data, then you should be able to use standard FM, which<br>
can transmit analog signals. So long as the pilot frequency and<br>
the signal frequency survive the transmission, you should be able<br>
to reconstruct the analog signal on the receiving end.<br>
<br>
I do think that multiple CV would require multiple transmit<br>
frequencies and multiple receivers, though, to keep the signals<br>
distinct. That would be true with ASK/FSK or straight FM.<br>
<br>
Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting<br>
<br>
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On May 25, 2017, at 2:29 AM, Roman Sowa <<a href="mailto:modular@go2.pl" target="_blank">modular@go2.pl</a>> wrote:<br>
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BT is no good for realtime. How about really simple $2 RF<br>
modules that have FSK or ASK input? Not sure if you can freely<br>
modulate with any PWM signal or is it quantized to some fixed<br>
data rate, but common sense tells me that the simples cheapest<br>
module just drive the radio directly. So you have wireless PWM<br>
link, and that's just one step from CV.<br>
<br>
Roman<br>
<br>
W dniu 2017-05-25 o 01:13, Quincas Moreira pisze:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hey friends! If you were to design a fast and precise<br>
wireless transmission and reception system for eurorack, how<br>
would you doi it? Synth 1 > ADC > uP<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Bluetooth > uP > DAC > synth 2 ? Or is there a simple<br>
analog way to<br>
</blockquote>
do it with RF?<br>
<br>
I mainly want to send control signals, but as we know, those<br>
can be up in the audio frequencies or higher!<br>
<br>
The idea is to have like, 4 systems set up on 4 corners of a<br>
room and inter-patch them without stretching long cables all<br>
over the place. I think 8 sends and 8 receives on each remote<br>
patch box would suffice, and some system to match sends to<br>
receives.<br>
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