<div dir="ltr">This is a lot like the sensor signal conditioning stuff I used to handle in my previous job. Basically, I'd never recommend sampling without filtering upstream. It *might* work, but for the sake of a little bit of effort you can go from *might* to *definitely will*.<div><br></div><div>One of the best reasons to do this is that even if you don't have much in the way of signal near or above the f/2 Nyquist limit, you can pretty much guarantee that you will have noise there, which will alias and increase the noise floor of your signal. So the best option for something like this would probably be to put a 1 or 2 opamp Sallen-Key filter between the front-end gain stages and the ADC. It may also be possible to mess with the gain stages themselves to limit their bandwidth -- done right this might be enough rolloff on its own. I tended to work on the basis of calculating how much noise and/or out-of-band signal would give me about half a bit's worth of peak to peak voltage at the ADC, then figured out (usually with LTSpice) the minimal amount of rolloff I needed to hit that spec.</div><div><br></div><div>The other thing I'd strongly recommend with that circuit is paying a lot of attention to power supply noise -- this will probably bite harder than anything else with a lot of gain being used. One of the less talked about reasons for this is that opamps get their power supply rejection from their ability to servo the output voltage to correct for power supply variation -- this works best with low gain, so as you start to max out gain capability this eats into PSRR.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Steve <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sleepy_dog@gmx.de" target="_blank">sleepy_dog@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:12.0px"><div>
<div>Howdy @ DSP experts out there,</div>
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<div>I was wondering:<br>
if done by the book, if you're doing ADC conversions of an audio signal and like it to be clean, you put a nicely steep LPF before it that, immensely reducing anything >= fsample/2.</div>
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So somebody told me recently, he wants to analyse an audio signal which pretty much only has frequencies up to 4kHz, maybe 6 but very quiet, and he's interested only in 1..2 kHz of that.</div>
<div>Hence, he wants to omit the LPF to save parts & PCB space, sample at a rate like 15..25 kHz and use a digital filter and then decimate to 4 kHz or so.</div>
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<div>Is that really feasible?<br>
The thing is, the signal is picked up by an analog mic (piezo) with 2 opamps after another, each has an integrated PGA of up to 16x gain, because the signal get get really quiet.<br>
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Now even if the sound source picked up and the frequency response curve of the piezo make sure that the mentioned upper limit holds.<br>
Could that stuff not pick up noise in some environments which introduce frequencies above 1/2 of his higher samplerate and hence pollute the spectrum?<br>
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Is it *ever* a good idea to omit the analog filter before sampling?</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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<div>- Steve<br>
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