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<div>I also likde diptrace. And found RS' Designspark to be rather unwieldy "bloatware", but maybe someone with the latest and greatest PC hardware won't notice.<br/>
A colleague complained of some missing features in diptrace - but he uses $$$$ altium, so, yeah, whatever ;)</div>
<div>Btw., one can mail the diptrace people and ask for a non-commercial license key - which increases the 300 pin limitation of the downloaded for-free version to 500 pins. I like this limit better than a board size limit like EAGLE imposes (not to mention that the first two letters of EAGLE must surely stand for Ergonomical Aberration :-P )</div>
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If you have, like Tom said, a method of using suboptimal tools, but that you are used to, and are reluctant to ry something else because of the learning curve:</div>
<div>I can say that I found DipTrace rather easy to learn, with hardly any prior usage of this kind of software.<br/>
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Steve<br/>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 21. Oktober 2016 um 01:01 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "Tom Wiltshire" <tom@electricdruid.net><br/>
<b>An:</b> "David G Dixon" <dixon@mail.ubc.ca><br/>
<b>Cc:</b> 'sdiy' <synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl><br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [sdiy] PC board from artwork?</div>
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<div>David,
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<div>It's truly remarkable that you put up with such a hideously involved method. I mean, I know how these things evolve, so I completely understand how you got there, but if you stand back and look at what you're doing, given the software that's available, it doesn't make any sense. At the time, you used the tool you had. Then you used the tool you'd used before, and developed it. Before you know it, you're doing full-scale layouts in a tool designed for something completely different, with none of the benefits of a tool designed for the job.
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<div>Honestly, try one of the options that have been mentioned. I'd put in a shout in for RS' Designspark too, although maybe they don't have such a presence on your side of the pond. I don't use it (I'm on DipTrace which has already been mentioned, and which I'd also recommend) but I've heard lots of good things from people who do.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Tom</div>
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<div>On 20 Oct 2016, at 04:40, David G Dixon <<a href="mailto:dixon@mail.ubc.ca" onclick="parent.window.location.href='dixon@mail.ubc.ca'; return false;" target="_blank">dixon@mail.ubc.ca</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div align="left"><span class="905492003-20102016"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Hi Quincas,</font></span></div>
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<div align="left"><span class="905492003-20102016"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I have made a bunch of little graphics in Excel, using just rectangles, lines of various colours, etc, which represent chips, resistors, caps, diodes, etc, with their leads and pins. The first thing I do is set the grid to 16 x 16 pixels so that the spreadsheet cells are all little squares. Each square represents 0.1". Then I select "Snap to Grid" in the Drawing menu so that when I move the parts around they snap to the 0.1" grid. Then I just do the layout by pure blunt force by carefully working through the schematic.</font></span></div>
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<div align="left"><span class="905492003-20102016"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">The layouts are facilitated by sticking to a certain basic plan. The power rails go down the middle of the board from left to right, and all the chips straddle these rails. Hence, the first row of pads next to the rails accommodate the chip pins. The next rows of pads are for things that connect between adjacent chip pins, like small stability caps in opamp feedback loops. The next pads are for components connecting out from the chips, such as resistors and diodes. These are all 0.4" long, and thereby straddle three potential rows of traces and/or pads. I call this three-lane conduit the "boulevard" and it is through here that I route signals around the board. Beyond that is a row of pads for the other end of all the resistors and diodes, and then a row of pads for off-board connectors, and finally a ground trace which typically encircles the entire board. The boards are arranged symmetrically around the rails. This means that all of my analog boards are either 2.1" wide, or 4.0" wide for "double-wide" boards (which share a ground trace down the middle between the two halves).</font></span></div>
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<div align="left"><span class="905492003-20102016"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Once I've got the layout done, connecting all the parts with different coloured traces (lines with ball ends in Excel), and the layout is reviewed and error-free, then I copy this layout to make several different graphics. One is "parts-only", one is "traces-only", and one is "pads only". The "traces-only" graphic is made up of all the traces in the layout, and is made up of several layers of lines. All traces are made up of three layers of lines, with ball ends of various sizes to make up pads, and smaller lines with small ball-ends on every line to give rounded corners. Finally, all power and ground traces are copied and made wider than other traces. These are all consolidated into a single graphic. The "pads-only" graphic is made up of small circles combined with larger invisible squares to force them to align on the grid. These small circles sit over the ball ends of the traces, and exist to provide small drill-guide holes for the pads for easy drilling.</font></span></div>
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<div align="left"><span class="905492003-20102016"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Finally, the pads and traces are turned black and combined to make the transfer graphic. This is what is printed and transferred onto the PCB. Finally finally, the transfer graphic is covered with a semi-transparent white rectangle, and then the "parts-only" graphic is superimposed on this, and that makes the "build pic" which is actually what the completed board will look like. I use this graphic when I'm stuffing the board.</font></span></div>
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<div align="left"><span class="905492003-20102016"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Sorry, that was long, and probably hard to follow. I'll just email you an example so you can see for yourself.</font></span></div>
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<div align="left"><span class="905492003-20102016"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Dave</font></span></div>
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<hr/><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Quincas Moreira [mailto:quincas@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>]<br/>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 19, 2016 7:45 PM<br/>
<b>To:</b> David G Dixon<br/>
<b>Cc:</b> KA4HJH; sdiy<br/>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sdiy] PC board from artwork?</font><br/>
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<div>David, could you describe how you lay out PCBs in Excel? very curious :)<br/>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:36 PM, David G Dixon <span><<a href="mailto:dixon@mail.ubc.ca" onclick="parent.window.location.href='dixon@mail.ubc.ca'; return false;" target="_blank">dixon@mail.ubc.ca</a>></span> wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1.0px solid;MARGIN: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT: 1.0ex;">Hi Terry,<br/>
<br/>
I can rework the layout to accommodate more typical quad opamps such as<br/>
TL074. This is actually very easy for me to do. I do it in Excel. With<br/>
the graphic and the schematic from the article, I can reproduce the layout<br/>
in Excel very quickly and then manipulate the layout to change the opamp<br/>
pinouts. No problem.<br/>
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I could also add some sine shapers if required. I have a nice design for<br/>
sine shapers which I could basically drop onto the board. It would get a<br/>
tiny bit bigger, though.<br/>
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> From: Synth-diy [mailto:<a href="mailto:synth-diy-bounces@dropmix.xs4all.nl" onclick="parent.window.location.href='synth-diy-bounces@dropmix.xs4all.nl'; return false;" target="_blank">synth-diy-bounces@dropmix.xs4all.nl</a>]<br/>
> On Behalf Of KA4HJH</span><br/>
<span class="im HOEnZb">> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:44 PM<br/>
> To: sdiy<br/>
> Subject: Re: [sdiy] PC board from artwork?<br/>
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<div class="h5">> > On Oct 19, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Byron G. Jacquot<br/>
> <<a href="mailto:thescum@surfree.com" onclick="parent.window.location.href='thescum@surfree.com'; return false;" target="_blank">thescum@surfree.com</a>> wrote:<br/>
> ><br/>
> > I'd be happy to redraw it in Eagle, and generate Gerbers,<br/>
> if it comes to that. It'd be a quick hour or so. You'd<br/>
> still have to find somewhere to fab 'em - I typically use<br/>
> OSHPark or Advanced Circuits.<br/>
> ><br/>
> > It's worth noting that the original design uses 4136's, but<br/>
> might be more useful if they were swapped to the more common<br/>
> quad op-amp package.<br/>
><br/>
> That was one of the main changes I would make if, in my dream<br/>
> world, I could actually redo the whole thing. Fortunately I<br/>
> have lots of 4136s.<br/>
><br/>
> The other thing is that it might be interesting to put sine<br/>
> shapers on the oscillators that form the Lissajous baseline.<br/>
> I don't know how it would look with an ellipse instead of a rhomboid.<br/>
><br/>
><br/>
> > On Oct 19, 2016, at 5:40 PM, David G Dixon<br/>
> <<a href="mailto:dixon@mail.ubc.ca" onclick="parent.window.location.href='dixon@mail.ubc.ca'; return false;" target="_blank">dixon@mail.ubc.ca</a>> wrote:<br/>
> ><br/>
> > I would be happy to make one for you, Terry. I make my own<br/>
> boards all<br/>
> > the time, and sell quite a few of them to other hobbyists.<br/>
> ><br/>
> > I have one or two questions about the layout graphic, but<br/>
> we can deal<br/>
> > with that if you decide you want me to do it.<br/>
><br/>
> This list is getting more helpful all the time. I need to get<br/>
> past Halloween before doing anything but after that...<br/>
><br/>
><br/>
> > On Oct 19, 2016, at 5:54 PM, Dave Manley <<a href="mailto:dlmanley@sonic.net" onclick="parent.window.location.href='dlmanley@sonic.net'; return false;" target="_blank">dlmanley@sonic.net</a>> wrote:<br/>
> ><br/>
> > Egads, I remember reading that article in my high school<br/>
> library when it was first published.<br/>
> ><br/>
> > ObSdiyContent: it must have been about the same time<br/>
> PAiA's 2700 was in Radio-Electronics...<br/>
><br/>
> Yep, I was a subscriber when I was in high school. I really<br/>
> wanted to build one. It only took me a couple of decades to<br/>
> get around to it.<br/>
><br/>
> The dog-eared magazine is in the next room right now. The pdf<br/>
> article on my blog is a recreation of the original, OCRed and<br/>
> reset in the original typeface.<br/>
><br/>
><br/>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH<br/>
> "The Mac Doctor"<br/>
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