<div dir="ltr">The DS1054Z — which is indeed a four-channel scope, and a dramatic leap forward from the old DS1xxx scopes — is $20 cheaper (retail pricing from Emona Instruments here in Sydney) than the DS1102E. The venerable old DS1052E is still cheaper, but it's a pretty poor cousin (I still own one, though)<div><br></div><div>I've used both. The DS1054Z has a far nicer display, more channels, more features and better controls.</div><div><br></div><div>Dave Jones from EEVBlog has a great review video series covering the DS1054Z, worth a look. IIRC He specifically covered what the big leaps forward from the DS1xxx series were. Here's the summary video:<br><br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETCOhzU1O5A">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETCOhzU1O5A</a></div><div><br></div><div>John</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 June 2016 at 20:13, Simon Brouwer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon.o@brousant.nl" target="_blank">simon.o@brousant.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
Personally I think the price difference is not so big that I would risk the hack<br>
not working anymore or even causing a problem with the instrument.<br>
By the way, the cheapest model of the Rigol DS1000Z series is not a four channel<br>
oscilloscope, is it?<br>
<br>
Anyway, less than 400 Euro for a compact two channel 100MHz oscilloscope with<br>
long sampling memory (DS1102E) sounds like pretty good value.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Simon<br>
<br>
> Op 3 juni 2016 om 20:47 schreef MTG <<a href="mailto:grant@musictechnologiesgroup.com">grant@musictechnologiesgroup.com</a>>:<br>
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><br>
> I'm happy with my Rigol DS1102E. Missed out on the hack though as I<br>
> bought mine before that was figured out.<br>
><br>
> GB<br>
><br>
> On 6/3/2016 11:29 AM, <a href="mailto:sleepy_dog@gmx.de">sleepy_dog@gmx.de</a> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > One *could* buy the cheapest, 50MHz of the Rigol DS1000Z series scopes:<br>
> > 4 channel, simple "analog trace simulation", 1GSa/s (shared),<br>
> > and *if* one has no moral qualms about that, find out how to "hack"<br>
> > (keygen, easy) it to the 100MHz version with all the bells and whistles:<br>
> > extra trigger modes, protocol decoding and what not.<br>
> > The Rigol DS1054Z is currently at about 400,- USD.<br>
> > Rigol seems to have established themselves as a (the) Chinese quality<br>
> > manufacturer of measurement gear. I would not by a long shot equate that<br>
> > to all the other Chinese gear out there. Look at the teardowns at YT /<br>
> > eevblog.<br>
> ><br>
> > Steve<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Am 03.06.2016 um 19:31 schrieb Bruno Afonso:<br>
> >> We recently got a MSOX2024A (agilent) and they even included all > possible<br>
> >> software add-ons, it was a promo they were running end of ><br>
> > last year. I still have to test the MSO part of it but it's ><br>
> > feature-packed for an entry level oscilloscope. Everything seemed ><br>
> > better compared to the tektronix models. I'm no expert in ><br>
> > oscilloscopes but even for my simple electronics work it has a bunch ><br>
> > of useful features that our older TDS2024 does not have. > > I asked the<br>
> > EEs around here and it basically comes down to what you > know and<br>
> > trust. A lot of people like the high end tektronix > oscilloscopes,<br>
> > which is not relevant to this discussion. The appeal > of these USB<br>
> > oscilloscopes is high but at the end of the day, nothing > beats some<br>
> > dials and a built-in screen. But if you're on a budget... > > > > On<br>
> > Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:34 AM Richie Burnett ><br>
> > <<a href="mailto:rburnett@richieburnett.co.uk">rburnett@richieburnett.co.uk</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rburnett@richieburnett.co.uk">rburnett@richieburnett.co.uk</a>>> ><br>
> > wrote: > >>> Some of the cheap Chinese copycat models will quite happily<br>
> > show >>> you a 20MHz signal as a 1kHz signal if you have the timebase<br>
> > set >>> to 100us/div. That really confuses students (>.<) > >> and if it<br>
> > doesn’t confuse the user at least she or he loses time >> when ruling<br>
> > out artifacts. > > *Exactly* It ultimately comes down to a question of<br>
> > how much your > time is worth? If you're doing hobby stuff for fun and<br>
> > have plenty > of time to learn about aliasing and artefacts then by all<br>
> > means get > something cheap and get cracking. But if you are running a<br>
> > business > with products to get out the door and deadlines to meet, (or<br>
> > have > very limited hobby time but a bit of spare cash,) then it's worth<br>
> >> buying the best that you can afford. > >> I’m not looking for<br>
> > something cheap but rather affordable (seeing >> that as an investment).<br>
> >> > What do you class as affordable? > >> I remember Tim Stinchcombe<br>
> > bringing his TDS 210 to Cambridge, which >> is not a handheld but a lot<br>
> > more portable. > > The TDS210 is nice, but quite old now. You can<br>
> > probably pick up > later Tek TDS1000 and TDS2000 series units<br>
> > second-hand now, and they > are more capable scopes. > >>> Conversely<br>
> > the likes of Agilent and Tektronics either show a nice >>> shaded smudge<br>
> > of HF, or filter it out completely, but never >>> undersampled. > >><br>
> > What would you prefer? Filtering? > > I am a fan of HP / Agilent or<br>
> > whatever they're calling themselves > this week. > > I've got a DSO6034A<br>
> > on my bench which I think is excellent even > though it's nearly ten<br>
> > years old now. It's quite a high spec but I > do a lot of work at MHz<br>
> > frequencies, and it is essential to my > livelihood. Models with less<br>
> > channels and less bandwidth will be > cheaper, and can probably even be<br>
> > picked up second-hand now too. (In > the ten years that I've had it,<br>
> > I've only encountered one tiny bug in > the firmware, where it very<br>
> > occasionally powers up with the 50-ohm > termination enabled on one of<br>
> > the channels, and you have to unplug > the probe and reconnect it for<br>
> > the termination to switch off!) > > A few years ago I compared Agilent's<br>
> > current offerings with Tektronix > in the same price range, and felt<br>
> > that Agilent had the edge in three > areas: > > 1. More responsive user<br>
> > interface. The Tek user interface at the > time felt under-powered and<br>
> > laggy. Not so much of a problem for a > newbie finding their way<br>
> > around, but frustrating for anyone who knows > their way around a scope<br>
> > and makes quick adjustments to controls, if > the display takes a while<br>
> > to catch up. > > 2. More features built-in for the price. The Agilent<br>
> > scope had most > maths features like FFT built-in, where they cost extra<br>
> > money for the > same features on the equivalent Tek models. (These days<br>
> > even the > cheap Chinese models usually have the maths features<br>
> > built-in!) > > 3. Better anti-alias filtering and more intuitive display<br>
> > of > "difficult waveforms". Things like looking for runt pulses or ><br>
> > corrupted data that only happens every once in a while. > > These days<br>
> > the swing might be back towards Tek or even LeCroy might > have a more<br>
> > budget offering? > > -Richie, > ><br>
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