<div dir="ltr">I remember the Creamware Pulsar PCI cards had SHARCs, which were "a big deal" at the time.<br><br><a href="http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar99/articles/creamwave.htm">http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar99/articles/creamwave.htm</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Rutger Vlek <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rutgervlek@gmail.com" target="_blank">rutgervlek@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Tim,<br>
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Sorry, I thought I read in Sound on Sound the Nord contained SHARC's, but I believe Johannes is right when he's saying they're Motorola/Freescale. The SHARC's were in the John Bowen monster synth if I remember correctly.<br>
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@Thomas Strathmann: I also feel differently about integrated keyboards than most, and agree with you on that. For me a synth needs to be one package. I think it has to do with the cognitive ergonomy of the thing. I don't want to be bother with settings controller settings, wiring, MIDI ports, etc when I want to be making music. When I turn on my instrument, I'd like it to be for music, not tech things.<br>
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Looking back at the Nord G2, I don't believe they sold many when they were just released. It's now they're discontinued that people finally get it. They did a great job making modular complexity available to the masses, but could have taken it a bit further. To get a large user base you need to be able to gain access to the benefits of the complexity of such an instrument, even without having to understand all it. That means your community of users will consist of a few that understand and enjoy the depths of an instrument, while others simply want the great sounds that the "nerdy techy experts" coaxed out of the engine. Perhaps it would be possible to set up some sort of eco-system around such a synth architecture, where you allow third party programmers to earn a bit from their efforts of going in depth, while making new complex stuff available to less technical users. Something the Nord really lacked (to my opinion), was a way to combine a wired set of modules into a new c<br>
ontainer-module that does one higher-level function. That way you keep patch building more transparent, and you're not always bother by the low-level complexity.<br>
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As for the WiFi, I don't have experience in the RF field, but I believe those of you who say it's risky. Perhaps the smart-phone coupling Roland did is the solution. That way you could use the WiFi in the smart-phone to allow your synth to browse the web through a list of patches, performances, sequences, samples, container-modules, etc.<br>
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While we're at it... I think a large multi-touch screen would also greatly enhance the fun you can have with modulars, making it more tactile and "muscle memory" again.<br>
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On 3 mrt 2016, at 00:45, Tim Ressel wrote:<br>
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> Hi Brian,<br>
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> I hear you about the power. But procs like the Sharc have seriously expensive compilers. Its true the STM32 doesn't have bit reversing or other niceties, but for this application I'm not sure how much it gains you. As long as you have single cycle MAC and high clock rates, I think we're okay.<br>
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> As for wifi interference, its a very good point. I'd be afraid of interfering with other equipment as well. On the other hand I was an EMC engineer in a past life and know a bit about radiated and conducted issues. Still, a challenge.<br>
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> Um, which Sharc chips are in the Nord?<br>
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> --tr<br>
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> On 3/2/2016 12:25 PM, <a href="mailto:rsdio@audiobanshee.com">rsdio@audiobanshee.com</a> wrote:<br>
>> Hi Tim,<br>
>><br>
>> I was going to suggest that an actual DSP chip, such as TMS320 or SHARC, would be a much better choice for a large modular. It's true that a generic processor like the STM32 can do quite a lot of signal processing, but DSP chips are designed to accomplish an order of magnitude more in the same amount of time and power. Seeing Rutger's comment that the Nord runs on multiple SHARC chips sort of makes my point.<br>
>><br>
>> By the way, I'd recommend against combining WiFi (radio) and audio signal generation in the same product. It's doable, but seriously increases the challenges. Digital is already difficult to get right when it comes to generating analog signals. Having radio interference generated on the same board just seems to be asking for trouble.<br>
>><br>
>> Brian<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mar 2, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Rutger Vlek <<a href="mailto:rutgervlek@gmail.com">rutgervlek@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> I've been thinking along the same lines. However, I've seen many similar projects get stranded half-way because it really really takes a lot of coordination, good UI design, debugging, testing, etc to get something that is as pleasant to work with as the Nord G2. Additionally, doing that in VST rather than hardware also solves many initial problems (though sacrificing playability IMHO).<br>
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>>> I'm also a big fan of the Nord! I wish Nord would make the system open-source such that we can further improve it, add addition modules, but benefit from the huge amount of work already done. I believe it runs on 4 (or 8) Sharc DSPs by the way.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The most important thing about your idea to me is: let's combine forces and make a monster of a synth! Something no one could ever pull off alone. Something that can grow for about 5 or 10 years (I'm thinking like the MidiBox platform did for quite a while). Personally, I'm more into the hybrid stuff, combining a modular DSP environment with analog voice-cards and effect chain options.<br>
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>>> While where at it, why don't we make a platform that also allows direct WiFi connection for patch sharing and rating (much like an App store on a mobile phone). Oh, and when we do something big and long term, it also pays of to put a decent keyboard in it with aftertouch, rather than the cheap mini-keys we get from the big corp's these days.<br>
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>>> On 2 mrt 2016, at 17:17, Tim Ressel wrote:<br>
>>>> I've always been interested in a software based synth that was configured through an app. I took a whack at it many years ago but never got very far. Then I found the Nord Modular and that seemed to fill the need nicely. Why re-invent the wheel? But then they get discontinued, and used G2s go for $1000.<br>
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>>>> So maybe its time for the DIY thing after all. Anybody interested?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I did some research. Someone out there has a clone for the app that configures the synth. If that code is workable then we just need the synth side. On that front there are several excellent choices for a processor. I'm thinking a high-end STM32. We could start with a Nucleo board with a daughter board; nice and cheap. The code will be intense, but many hands makes work light.<br>
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>>>> This would be an open source project for hardware and software. That way nobody's toes get stepped on. Or everybody's does, depending on your viewpoint.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thoughts?<br>
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