<div dir="ltr">Hi Tom,<div><div>Good questions.</div><div>I've been thinking quite the same way to a digital ADSR but I have my criticisms for various "natural" said topologies.</div></div><div><br></div><div> I´d test many combinations, and i´m not so sure the "best sounding".</div><div><br></div><div>Vinicius Brazil</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Tom Wiltshire <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tom@electricdruid.net" target="_blank">tom@electricdruid.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
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I've been thinking about linear and logarithmic VCAs and ADSR envelopes. We're usually told that the standard exponential cap-charging/discharging ADSR curve into a linear VCA produces a "natural" sound, because our ears understand volume logarithmically - e.g. we hear in dB. This is why we use log pots for volume controls, after all. Ok, so what does an ADSR actually look like to your ear? Here's my results.<br>
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Sustain set at 1/16th (-24dB roughly), first the typical linear view, then the log:<br>
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<a href="http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/16ADSROutput.png" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/16ADSROutput.png</a><br>
<a href="http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/16LogADSROutput.png" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/16LogADSROutput.png</a><br>
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With sustain at 1/8th (-18dB)<br>
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<a href="http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/8ADSROutput.png" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/8ADSROutput.png</a><br>
<a href="http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/8LogADSROutput.png" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/8LogADSROutput.png</a><br>
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You're getting the idea by now, but here's 1/4 and 1/2. The last of these is interesting because the "typical ADSR" diagrams always have sustain set close to a half, which is only -6dB.<br>
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<a href="http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/4ADSROutput.png" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/4ADSROutput.png</a><br>
<a href="http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/4LogADSROutput.png" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/4LogADSROutput.png</a><br>
<a href="http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/2ADSROutput.png" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/2ADSROutput.png</a><br>
<a href="http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/2LogADSROutput.png" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.tomwiltshire.co.uk/images/2LogADSROutput.png</a><br>
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To be honest, this doesn't look exceptionally "natural" to me. But I don't think I'm going to argue with 50 years of synth history. If that's what we like, that's what we like.<br>
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Now, what I'm thinking is that I could easily tweak the tables in one of my PIC envelope generators to give these "log" curves. I could then feed the envelope to a log VCA and get the same sound you get with a typical ADSR into a OTA/linear VCA. It's a "log-compensated" envelope. Being able to switch between the two curves would enable people to use either a log or linear VCA and still get the same effect.<br>
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What do you all think?<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Tom<br>
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PS: Secondary issue: Nomenclature - do you think of the VCAs as "exponential" or "log"? What about the ADSRs? Are they "log envelopes" or "exponential envelopes"?<br>
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