<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213829" dir="ltr"><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213657">I generally use an LM4562NA in my first and second stage if applicable. This Op Amp has an exceptionally low input noise voltage of 2.7</span>nV/√Hz along with excellent distortion characteristics. Douglas Self has done a write up on the LM4562NA along with various predecessors, such as the NE5532, etc. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213391"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213657"> </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213392"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213451" class="signature"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213509"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213511" size="2">Sincerely, <br> </font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213503"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213449" size="2">Chris Juried <br>Audio Engineering Society (AES) <var id="yui-ie-cursor"></var>Member <br>InfoComm-Recognized AV Technologist</font><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213501" class="postbody"><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.juriedengineering.com/">http://www.JuriedEngineering.com</a> (Juried Engineering, LLC.)<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.tubeequipment.com/">http://www.TubeEquipment.com</a> (Tube Equipment Corporation)<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.historyofrecording.com/">http://www.HistoryOfRecording.com</a> (History of Recording)</span><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213505" size="3"><font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453862905393_213507" size="2"><br><br><br>This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. 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If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify me and permanently delete the original and any copy of any e-mail and any printout thereof.</font></font><br></div></div><br> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Roman Sowa <modular@go2.pl><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 29, 2016 7:06 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [sdiy] Spare op-amp useful in gain stage?<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>Opamp noise is referenced to its input, so whether it's amplified by <br clear="none">30dB and then abother 30dB, or by whole 60dB in one go, overal noise <br clear="none">should remain the same.<br clear="none">Distortion also increases with gain, so that's another reason to split <br clear="none">it to 2 lower gain stages.<br clear="none">OTOH there are application when it's better to have one high gain stage.<br clear="none">There's no single rule for everything.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Roman<br clear="none"><br clear="none">W dniu 2016-01-28 o 19:41, Tom Wiltshire pisze:<br clear="none">> Plus the second amp is going to be amplifying the noise from the first. Is that better or worse than having one op-amp with very high-gain amplifying it's own noise?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On 28 Jan 2016, at 17:37, Quincas Moreira <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:quincas@gmail.com" href="mailto:quincas@gmail.com">quincas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>> I would expect signal to noise ratio to be worse, but distortion to be<br clear="none">>> less using Roman's two opamp idea. Probably not by much, but each<br clear="none">>> opamp stage would add a tiny bit of noise... Am I wrong? I usually<br clear="none">>> go this route when I need high gain, two stages....<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Michael Zacherl<br clear="none">>> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sdiy-mz01@blauwurf.info" href="mailto:sdiy-mz01@blauwurf.info">sdiy-mz01@blauwurf.info</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> On 28.Jan 2016, at 13:36 , Roman Sowa <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:modular@go2.pl" href="mailto:modular@go2.pl">modular@go2.pl</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>>> In high gain application it's better to split to 2 opamps, this way you get much higher bandwidth than when done on single opamp.<br clear="none">>>>> For example if 60dB gain on one opamp would have 3dB bandwidth ending at about 10kHz, while 30+30dB on 2 opamps of the same kind it jumps over 300kHz.<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> hm .. so what’s the impact on the SNR?<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>>> W dniu 2016-01-28 o 13:03, Mattias Rickardsson pisze:<br clear="none">>>>>> Hi!<br clear="none">>>>>><br clear="none">>>>>> I was in a discussion about what to do with a spare OP-amp. These<br clear="none">>>>>> fellows come in duals and quads, and sometimes the quantities don't<br clear="none">>>>>> end up perfectly and you stand there with an extra unused op-amp.<br clear="none">>>>>><br clear="none">>>>>> Is there any clever way of using two op-amps instead of one in, say, a<br clear="none">>>>>> noisy high-gain stage in order to reach lower noise or something like<br clear="none">>>>>> that?<br clear="none">>>>>><br clear="none">>>>>> Douglas Self's small signal book suggests paralleling two gain stages<br clear="none">>>>>> ("multipath amplifiers"), having their outputs tied together with 10<br clear="none">>>>>> ohms to the destination, winning 3 dB SNR. Are there other clever ways<br clear="none">>>>>> of using a spare op-amp, particularly in a stage with high gain?<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> --<br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="http://mz.klingt.org/" target="_blank">http://mz.klingt.org</a><br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">>>> Synth-diy mailing list<br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl" href="mailto:Synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl">Synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl</a><br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="http://dropmix.xs4all.nl/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy" target="_blank">http://dropmix.xs4all.nl/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy</a><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> --<br clear="none">>> Quincas Moreira<br clear="none">>> Test Pilot at VBrazil Modular<div class="yqt2855199571" id="yqtfd73988"><br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">>> Synth-diy mailing list<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl" href="mailto:Synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl">Synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl</a><br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="http://dropmix.xs4all.nl/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy" target="_blank">http://dropmix.xs4all.nl/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> Synth-diy mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl" href="mailto:Synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl">Synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://dropmix.xs4all.nl/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy" target="_blank">http://dropmix.xs4all.nl/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Synth-diy mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl" href="mailto:Synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl">Synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://dropmix.xs4all.nl/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy" target="_blank">http://dropmix.xs4all.nl/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy</a></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>