<div dir="ltr">One doesn't have to be "anti-cloud" to have a reasonable understanding of your expectations when the data isn't physically under your control.<div><br></div><div>Many moons ago, when there were more fly-by-night ISPs, I had signed up with one. I moved all my personal files from my university system (the job I'd just left) to the ISP.<br><br>There was a clause in the contract about "we are not responsible for backups" which I took to mean "we can't guarantee that we will ever recover your data" not "we don't do backups". As a sysadmin, my expectation was that all responsible admins took backups, but I could understand serving many customers you wouldn't want to have to constantly be recovering Joe Schmoe's file he just screwed up by accident. A reasonable clause to forestall unreasonable demands, right?<br><br>Then they dropped a screwdriver into the hard drive. Their responsibility, but since the contract really meant "we don't do backups" my data was gone.</div><div><br></div><div>So as noted: don't put all your data in one basket. I think it's also reasonable to pay close attention to the providers' security policies and any security surprises they may encounter, and keep sensitive data out of the cloud -- too many companies you'd have otherwise expected to have good data security have been hacked in the last several years. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Pete<br><br><br><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 2:24 PM, john slee <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:indigoid@oldcorollas.org" target="_blank">indigoid@oldcorollas.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I use Apple's iCloud to share some stuff between my MacBooks, and<br>
GitHub (and now also Amazon CodeCommit) for storing code.<br>
<br>
For backups I have a Time Capsule — I'm way too disorganised to<br>
remember to manually backup to external drives, so that would be an an<br>
awful choice for me.<br>
<br>
I work with Amazon AWS all day for my employer, so I'm fairly<br>
comfortable with it. I don't buy the anti-cloud hysteria.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
John<br>
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On 16 October 2015 at 00:15, Jean-Pierre Desrochers <<a href="mailto:jpdesroc@oricom.ca">jpdesroc@oricom.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
> Just to open up a discussion here on<br>
> a topic very discutable...<br>
> Do you guys trust to put your very precious data<br>
> on a 'somewhere on the web' server like the Cloud<br>
> or DropBox ? Someone told me yesterday that<br>
> NASA and FBI put there private data on the web<br>
> and not on their own disks like we all do (did ?)<br>
> And that was VERY secure for them to do so..<br>
> Hmmmm...<br>
><br>
> JP<br>
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