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color=#000000>I think we can be excused for airing our thoughts on days
when significant tragic events happen, if only for that one day. Ran across this
recently which may be relevant:</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#000000>Joe: It's all
about imperialism. The privileged rich countries exploit the poor countries
where huge numbers live in poverty, to get control of their resources. No wonder
the inhabitants of the poor countries lash out with what they see as the only
hope of saving their threatened societies!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#000000>Sam: It's not
about imperialism. It's about culture. Let's call it Us and Them. They promote
the suppression of all earthly pleasures. They promote total and unquestioning
submission to a mystical ideology, with rituals and severe restrictions. They
promote absolute control over all females and the deprivation of all but the
simplest privileges from females. They believe that failure to adhere to these
ways is grounds for execution.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#000000>Joe: But who is
to say that we should criticize their way of life? Culture should be preserved,
no matter how different it may seem to some other culture. Cultures are
arbitrary - there are no absolute rules. Maybe their way of life is truly better
over long historical periods. Maybe humans need that kind of discipline to keep
from eventually dissolving into chaos. Sometimes it looks like our culture, with
our historically recent lifting of most, if not all, ritualistic restrictions,
is plummeting into sin and anarchy!<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#000000>Sam:
Preservation of culture is a valid concept. But that is not going to work here;
they cannot tolerate the existence of other cultures that flaunt the very things
they consider to be deepest sacrilege. The very fact that blood is still
coursing through our veins fills them with murderous outrage. As long as we are
still breathing they will not stop. Not only do they think that it's acceptable
to slash the throats of infidels like us, they encourage it as a virtuous and
noble act. The only way we can survive is to eliminate their murderous
philosophy. Unfortunately, this may involve killing them before they kill
us.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#000000>Joe: But how can
you not see?? That idea is merely the mirror image of theirs! They want to kill
us, we want to kill them, all because our philosophies are diametrically
opposed! You cannot kill to prevent killing!!!<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#000000>Sam: No, it is
you who cannot see. There are two possible planes of existence - the one we are
in, and the (admittedly unproven) one after this one. We care about this one,
they do not. You have one culture that lives in this world but does not want to
be here, so they are eager to take us and themselves out by killing. The next
(possibly imaginary) world is all they care about. They can gleefully murder an
innocent child and think that they have done a noble thing. Then you have
another culture that wants to be here in this world, to live in it and love in
it and create a benevolent civilization where all inhabitants are strong and
free. The next world is a valid concept, but we are in no hurry to get there. Do
you see? Those of us who are here, in this reality, and do not want to leave,
are justified in protecting our existence. The two opposing philosophies are not
in a balance.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=642201919-07072005> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl
[mailto:owner-synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>laxt57@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:51
AM<BR><B>To:</B> synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sdiy]
JAy<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV> Hi</DIV>
<DIV>I would not normally make a political statement in this forum.</DIV>
<DIV>I must say my heart goes out to all of our english friends.</DIV>
<DIV>I don't think anyone"deserves" to be blown away in the tubes.</DIV>
<DIV>Dont care much for the world the way it has become of late</DIV>
<DIV>Jeri</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
SRRecords@aol.com<BR>To: synth-diy@dropmix.xs4all.nl<BR>Sent: Thu, 7 Jul 2005
14:32:40 EDT<BR>Subject: Re: [sdiy] JAy<BR><BR>
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<DIV>What are we to conclude from:</DIV>
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<DIV>>There is no right way to kill humans, period. </DIV>
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<DIV>coupled with </DIV>
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<DIV>>England, it is in fact War on your own terms, as you
deserve. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We must, it seems, conclude that Jay thinks 'there is no right way
to kill humans, period, except this one'.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Also, I wonder what Jay means by "right way" to kill humans - does he
mean methods to kill humans (as in, 'using a bomb' is more correct than 'using
a gun'), or does he mean 'killing humans is wrong always'.
I think he thinks he means the latter, but then the contradiction noted
above undermines that.... </DIV>
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<DIV>Either way, all this is the mark of someone
ranting-without-thinking, and of course what appears to
be sociopathology for its own sake (hence the insensitivity and
mean-spiritedness).</DIV>
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<DIV>Either way, this American is having a pint or more for
England tonight! After all, England gave birth to G.E. Moore and
Bertrand Russell!</DIV>
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