[sdiy] [Polluriel détecté] Re: Reliable MIDI recording app for PC.. Or my Sonar X3 Pro DAW is not set correctly..
Chromatest J. Pantsmaker
chromatest at chromatest.net
Thu Oct 30 20:05:53 CET 2025
If your Piano player is only sending Note On, Off, and All Notes Off, where
is the Sysex coming from?
On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 11:55 AM H.Sergio Alves via Synth-diy <
synth-diy at synth-diy.org> wrote:
> I’m wondering if sonar is getting messed up because of no clock? I know
> midi doesn’t need clock signal but for recording and keep the timing
> wouldn’t that be advisable?
>
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 at 18:51, <jpdesroc at oricom.ca> wrote:
>
>> Here is a very small MIDI-OX snapshot of what my player send as MIDI
>> datas..
>>
>>
>>
>> And at the end *All Notes Off* message when I stop my motors..
>>
>>
>>
>> 00021F06 2 -- 91 27 7F 2 Eb 2 Note On
>>
>> 00021F07 2 -- 91 4B 7F 2 Eb 5 Note On
>>
>> 00021F0B 2 -- 91 1B 7F 2 Eb 1 Note On
>>
>> 00021F0C 2 -- 91 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note On
>>
>> 00021F10 2 -- 91 3B 7F 2 B 3 Note On
>>
>> 00021F31 2 -- 91 4E 7F 2 F# 5 Note On
>>
>> 00021F33 2 -- 91 5F 7F 2 B 6 Note On
>>
>> 00021F6A 2 -- 81 47 7F 2 B 4 Note Off
>>
>> 00021F95 2 -- 91 5A 7F 2 F# 6 Note On
>>
>> 00021FBB 2 -- 91 3F 7F 2 Eb 4 Note On
>>
>> 00021FF3 2 -- 81 3B 7F 2 B 3 Note Off
>>
>> 00021FFF 2 -- 81 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note Off
>>
>> 00022000 2 -- 81 5F 7F 2 B 6 Note Off
>>
>> 00022003 2 -- 81 53 7F 2 B 5 Note Off
>>
>> 0002202A 2 -- 91 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note On
>>
>> 00022051 2 -- 91 42 7F 2 F# 4 Note On
>>
>> 00022078 2 -- 81 4E 7F 2 F# 5 Note Off
>>
>> 00022087 2 -- 81 5A 7F 2 F# 6 Note Off
>>
>> 0002208B 2 -- 81 3F 7F 2 Eb 4 Note Off
>>
>> 0002208C 2 -- 81 4B 7F 2 Eb 5 Note Off
>>
>> 000220B0 2 -- 91 47 7F 2 B 4 Note On
>>
>> 000220CF 2 -- 81 1B 7F 2 Eb 1 Note Off
>>
>> 000220D0 2 -- 81 27 7F 2 Eb 2 Note Off
>>
>> 00022106 2 -- 81 42 7F 2 F# 4 Note Off
>>
>> 00022117 2 -- 81 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note Off
>>
>> 00022140 2 -- 91 36 7F 2 F# 3 Note On
>>
>> 0002214A 2 -- 91 3F 7F 2 Eb 4 Note On
>>
>> 0002214B 2 -- 91 4B 7F 2 Eb 5 Note On
>>
>> 0002214C 2 -- 91 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note On
>>
>> 00022150 2 -- 91 17 7F 2 B 0 Note On
>>
>> 00022151 2 -- 91 3B 7F 2 B 3 Note On
>>
>> 00022158 2 -- 91 23 7F 2 B 1 Note On
>>
>> 00022164 2 -- 91 53 7F 2 B 5 Note On
>>
>> 0002216D 2 -- 91 5A 7F 2 F# 6 Note On
>>
>> 00022173 2 -- 91 5F 7F 2 B 6 Note On
>>
>> 0002217A 2 -- 91 4E 7F 2 F# 5 Note On
>>
>> 000221A9 2 -- 81 47 7F 2 B 4 Note Off
>>
>> 00022316 2 -- 81 4E 7F 2 F# 5 Note Off
>>
>> 0002231F 2 -- 81 36 7F 2 F# 3 Note Off
>>
>> 00022326 2 -- 81 5A 7F 2 F# 6 Note Off
>>
>> 0002232B 2 -- 81 23 7F 2 B 1 Note Off
>>
>> 0002232C 2 -- 81 3B 7F 2 B 3 Note Off
>>
>> 0002232D 2 -- 81 3F 7F 2 Eb 4 Note Off
>>
>> 0002232E 2 -- 81 4B 7F 2 Eb 5 Note Off
>>
>> 00022330 2 -- 81 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note Off
>>
>> 00022331 2 -- 81 5F 7F 2 B 6 Note Off
>>
>> 00022335 2 -- 81 17 7F 2 B 0 Note Off
>>
>> 00022336 2 -- 81 53 7F 2 B 5 Note Off
>>
>> 00022380 2 -- B1 7B 00 2 --- CC: All Notes Off
>>
>>
>>
>> *De :* H.Sergio Alves <theatomlabspt at gmail.com>
>> *Envoyé :* 30 octobre 2025 14:23
>> *À :* jpdesroc at oricom.ca
>> *Cc :* John Speth <johnspeth at yahoo.com>; SYNTH DIY <
>> synth-diy at synth-diy.org>
>>
>>
>> *Objet :* Re: [sdiy] [Polluriel détecté] Re: Reliable MIDI recording app
>> for PC.. Or my Sonar X3 Pro DAW is not set correctly..
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you tried midi ox to monitor what’s being sent?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 at 18:20, Jean-Pierre Desrochers via Synth-diy <
>> synth-diy at synth-diy.org> wrote:
>>
>> My program only outputs the following MIDI datas:
>>
>> NOTE ON (paper hole detected)
>>
>> NOTE OFF (paper hole finished)
>>
>> ALL NOTES OFF (when rewinding my paper rolls only. Never else)
>>
>>
>>
>> So there is no ‘big’ MIDI traffic involved here to the Sonar MIDI input.
>>
>> But the number of voices can go up to around 20 in some parts
>> of songs but rarely. Mostly around 10-15 notes played at the same time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Briant asked:
>>
>> *>> **What else is on the USB connectors of the PC ? Anything else
>> taking lots of bandwidth (a USB3->HDMI display for example ?)*
>>
>> I use a 5 pins DIN MIDI connector to my Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 USB device.
>>
>> No other USB devices used on my PC during MIDI recordings.
>>
>>
>>
>> I tried using only *Note*s and remove *System Exclusive* from the
>> ‘authorized’ record datas.
>>
>> It improved the recorded datas but still some lags inserted
>> here and there..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *De :* Synth-diy <synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org> *De la part de* John
>> Speth via Synth-diy
>> *Envoyé :* 30 octobre 2025 11:03
>> *À :* SYNTH DIY <synth-diy at synth-diy.org>
>> *Objet :* Re: [sdiy] [Polluriel détecté] Re: Reliable MIDI recording app
>> for PC.. Or my Sonar X3 Pro DAW is not set correctly..
>>
>>
>>
>> *>> Do the hesitations happen in the same way each time when you start
>> playback? *
>>
>> Yes. Same way, same places. The lags are recorded on the MIDI track.
>>
>> "The lags are recorded on the MIDI track."??? Does that mean the gaps
>> are in your recorded event list? If so, that's not a playback problem.
>> That's a recording problem. Your filter is set to record note on/off and
>> sysex. Does your event list only contain note on/off and sysex? If you
>> change your filter to not record sysex, do you still have valid test
>> conditions for you to see the problem? IOW, if you don't record sysex,
>> will playback be silent because sysex was needed? Disable sysex recording
>> as a test. There's no lasting harm in doing so I assume.
>>
>> I think the next step is to monitor MIDI data with a MIDI monitor during
>> recording. There might be some sort of MIDI data clogging up the MIDI
>> stream. MIDI is capacity limited. So, for example, if sysex is constantly
>> being pumped along with note on/off, you could plausibly see hesitations.
>> Monitor in both directions (if you're using both directions).
>>
>> I recently had a Cakewalk experience that showed a bug regarding .MID
>> files. I took an interest in the "Situation" by Yazoo MIDI file. When I
>> loaded it into free Sonar, I had many problems running it (problems I don't
>> remember). I tried two other .MID files and never had the same problems. I
>> concluded that the Yazoo .MID file contained something that corrupted
>> Cakewalk. I tried the same exercise with Bandlab and noted the same
>> problem. I concluded that there is some sort of bug associated with some
>> .MID files in Cakewalk and that the this mysterious bug has been around for
>> a while. I would try a different sequencer. You should be able to find at
>> least a few free ones, including online sequencers. The bottom line is: CW
>> has bugs and it probably always will.
>>
>> If you haven't done so yet, install and use MIDI-OX. It's a swiss army
>> knife tool for MIDI. It has a MIDI monitor and will let you confirm your
>> MIDI data that you record has no hesitations by taking Sonar out of the
>> picture.
>>
>> JJS
>>
>>
>>
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