[sdiy] Waveshapers based on Max-min operations (Re: Simple circuit challenge: |a-b|)

Fri Oct 4 18:10:45 CEST 2024

Fantastic ideas, the full wave rectifier is so simple. I dont quite understand how the absolute value circuit works, might have to simulate it.

Great stuff :)

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Subject: [sdiy] Waveshapers based on Max-min operations (Re: Simple circuit challenge: |a-b|)

Hello Rutgers and List,

I designed variations of Max-min based waveshapers, which may be of your
interests.
They are quite simple and quite precise.

Explanations are in Japanese, but I guess schematics and waveforms are
sufficient information for you.

Full-Wave Rectifiers (Absolute Value) Based on Max-Min Operation.
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Funderstandcircuit.seesaa.net%2Farticle%2F505024372.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7C5afc30a132a54417a92408dce3fa480b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638635911325026475%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=D6%2FNwIyy2e%2BcKTm86K7dGlVJp5cPQQSLsyVZWkgiwic%3D&reserved=0<https://understandcircuit.seesaa.net/article/505024372.html>

Single Opamp Wavefolder with Folding Threshold Control.
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Funderstandcircuit.seesaa.net%2Farticle%2F505024822.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7C5afc30a132a54417a92408dce3fa480b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638635911325039849%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GgMfNzMVO3lLjpO3EK6jt%2Bea4St%2FIigMid0XJFjJLtM%3D&reserved=0<https://understandcircuit.seesaa.net/article/505024822.html>

Wave Multiplier with Folding Threshold Control.
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Funderstandcircuit.seesaa.net%2Farticle%2F505024858.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7C5afc30a132a54417a92408dce3fa480b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638635911325047338%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=mIBfUGhoga38%2B5KyCucJjlSWvQV9IzRaI7PuOzD7c3w%3D&reserved=0<https://understandcircuit.seesaa.net/article/505024858.html>

Absolute Value of Difference with Single OP Amp.
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Funderstandcircuit.seesaa.net%2Farticle%2F503838897.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7C5afc30a132a54417a92408dce3fa480b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638635911325054556%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Ocnt3Bm8RDHy3yANTgwfhtp99Y8Rj9j2bUjhZ7xoxqc%3D&reserved=0<https://understandcircuit.seesaa.net/article/503838897.html>

Best,
Osamu Sam HOSHUYAMA
Kawasaki, JAPAN

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件名: Re: [sdiy] Simple circuit challenge: |a-b|

Thanks everyone for the suggestions!

I agree with Roman, the Graetz bridge solution is very elegant, thanks
for sharing Osamu! Will keep you posted on progress with this circuit.
If the prototype works as expected, I'll share the details here on the
list.

Rutger

Op do 28 mrt 2024 om 03:43 schreef houshu at muj.biglobe.ne.jp
<houshu at muj.biglobe.ne.jp>:

      Hello Rutger and List,

Here is my solution.
|a-b| = Max(a,b) - min(a,b).
If output offset is acceptable, we can omit D5, D6, and R7.
Impedance of inputs should be low.  When one of inputs is open, output
is a little distorted.
Sam HOSHUYAMAKawasaki, Japan.

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件名: [sdiy] Simple circuit challenge: |a-b|

Dear list,

while hobbying on an experimental design, I'm looking for a simple
analog circuit to give me the absolute value of the difference between
two signals (mathematically written as |a-b|).

I already have a working circuit, but it's rather big for my needs. It
uses an inverting opamp to invert signal A, followed by a bog-standard
full wave precision rectifier circuit where -A and B are summed together
and being rectified. The total is 3 opamps, 2 diodes and 9 resistors. As
I need to repeat the circuit many times in the final application, I'm
wondering: is there anything simpler that can do this?

Requirements:
- working across full audio range
- distortion as consequence of diode drops is no problem (might even be
beneficial!)

Many thanks for any suggestions!

Regards,

Rutger

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