[sdiy] Signals leaking into the PSU?
rburnett at richieburnett.co.uk
rburnett at richieburnett.co.uk
Mon Feb 20 11:06:03 CET 2023
> ....As I said, in the
> UK, exposed metal chassis must be connected to the mains earth. You
> can choose to isolate all the electronics from it if you wish...
There are literally loads of products on sale in the UK that break this
rule though. Right now I have an anglepoise lamp and a free standing
Ikea lamp next to me that both have a significant metal "chassis" but
are marked as class-2. There is no connection from mains earth to the
metal parts, (there can't be because they only used 2 core cable to the
plug!) I also have an LG DVD player here that has a metal case but is
marked class-2 with no earth bonding to the case and a captive 2-core
mains cable. Also I have a Toshiba work laptop with aluminium
"cladding" over the back of the screen which is fed by a Class-2
supply/charger. You can clearly feel the "buzz" of the electricity on
the aluminium cover if you run your fingers over it when it is plugged
into the charger!
> Also if you perform live music, hold conferences with your own AV, or
> so on, the location's house electrician is supposed to check the
> chassis grounds on all your equipment are in place before he turns on
> the three-phase.
It causes all sorts of fun when Class-2 appliances meet Class-1
appliances in larger setups. For instance connecting a class-2 laptop
or DVD player to a Class-1 (earthed) TV results in some tiny but pretty
impressive sparks between the audio/video connectors when they come
together. It also hurts if you do this connection with the power on and
manage to get your finger across the gap! (>.<)
> That may be true under the US regulations, but doesn't meet the
> current UK IET interpretation of a Class 2 FE device where the whole
> system is PAT tested, not the individual item. You can use a
> wall-wart provided the item doesn't expose the output voltage across a
> major surface, for example a laptop can have USB sockets with up to
> 5mA of leakage (which I personally think is too high - the old 0.75mA
> limit was met by most equipment), but the case should be plastic or
> double insulated metal.
The Toshiba laptop clearly breaks this rule. Aluminium plate appears to
be anodised but you can still feel the electricity and get a meter
reading of about 120VAC to ground! Same on the USB surrounds.
-Richie,
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