[sdiy] Missing emails in SDIY discussion threads...?

[Ben Stuyts]

(Now I forgot to reply-to all. 🙄)

They are only distributed to the list members because they were in the CC:.

That’s why you sometimes see a reply where the quoted message shows up to 10 minutes later. (It takes around 10 minutes to send a message to ca. 1000 list members. I can’t speed it up because some ISP’s will block the list.)

Basically if you send a message to the list, it must show up in the archives in no time. Then within 10 minutes it is distributes to 75% of the list. The other 25% (using web.de <http://web.de/>, gmx.de <http://gmx.de/> and sometimes a few others) can take up to 2 or 3 hours. And then there’s comcast which sometimes (!) takes up to 5 days.

Ben


> On 7 Feb 2023, at 22:08, Mattias Rickardsson <mr at analogue.org <mailto:mr at analogue.org>> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Ben!
> OK, so some messages seem to be distributed to only some of the list members, and not to the archives? Strange! Worth looking into, perhaps. :-)
> 
> /mr
> 
> Den tis 7 feb. 2023 21:55Ben Stuyts <ben at stuyts.nl <mailto:ben at stuyts.nl>> skrev:
> I noticed it too. If you look in the archives (https://synth-diy.org/pipermail/synth-diy/2023-February/thread.html <https://synth-diy.org/pipermail/synth-diy/2023-February/thread.html>), you will find that Neil’s message is not there. I checked the mail logs and he did send it to the list. But it landed in a black hole somewhere. I’m looking into it, but can’t find any obvious reason.
> 
> And another message from Neil just now passed through fine...
> 
> (Then there are the usual delivery problems to gmx.de <http://gmx.de/> and web.de <http://web.de/> addresses. But I’ve given up on finding definite solution for these. In the end the messages are delivered with up to several hours delay.)
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
>> On 7 Feb 2023, at 20:42, Mattias Rickardsson <mr at analogue.org <mailto:mr at analogue.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> sorry to bother the list with a question like this, but I sometimes seem to miss some of the emails. I only see them quoted in other people's subsequent emails. (Note sure if there are even more, unquoted, which I then never see.) Btw nothing is hidden away in Gmail's spam either.
>> 
>> First I thought it was because of someone pressing "reply" to the person instead of "reply" to the list, and that some other nice person then replied to that with the list address included. But looking closely it seems like the quoted emails were indeed actually sent to the list.
>> 
>> Are there any known cases of Mailman failing to distribute messages to all list members? Or is something wrong in my end? Sorry again to take up the bandwidth.
>> 
>> Here's a recent example from the ongoing "20 ms delay" discussion thread. I didn't receive the emails from Mike Bryant and Neil Johnson (except as quoted in Grant's email below), but the other ones in the discussion arrived:
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Den tis 7 feb. 2023 14:58grant musictechnologiesgroup.com <http://musictechnologiesgroup.com/> <grant at musictechnologiesgroup.com <mailto:grant at musictechnologiesgroup.com>> skrev:
>> 
>> Miniature tape recorder.
>> 
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Mike Bryant" <mbryant at futurehorizons.com <mailto:mbryant at futurehorizons.com>>
>> To: "Neil Johnson" <neil.johnson71 at gmail.com <mailto:neil.johnson71 at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: "synth-diy at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org>" <synth-diy at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org>>
>> Sent: 2/7/2023 4:37:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: [sdiy] 20ms delay? analog allpass filter?
>> 
>> That's not analogue though, it's acoustic :-)
>> 
>> From: Neil Johnson <neil.johnson71 at gmail.com <mailto:neil.johnson71 at gmail.com>>
>> Sent: 07 February 2023 12:04
>> To: Mike Bryant <mbryant at futurehorizons.com <mailto:mbryant at futurehorizons.com>>
>> Cc: Roman Sowa <modular at go2.pl <mailto:modular at go2.pl>>; Neil Harper <metadata at gmx.com <mailto:metadata at gmx.com>>; synth-diy at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org> <synth-diy at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [sdiy] 20ms delay? analog allpass filter?
>>  
>> 20ms is only about 6m or so.  Get creative with some plywood, foam, a
>> speaker and a microphone.
>> 
>> Neil
>> 
>> On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 at 12:02, Mike Bryant <mbryant at futurehorizons.com <mailto:mbryant at futurehorizons.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Well it's more practical than 6000 km of wire :-)
>> >
>> > Alternatively you could bounce a signal off a satellite.
>> >
>> > Somehow I think delay is something best done digitally.
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Synth-diy <synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org>> on behalf of Roman Sowa <modular at go2.pl <mailto:modular at go2.pl>>
>> > Sent: 07 February 2023 11:11
>> > To: Neil Harper <metadata at gmx.com <mailto:metadata at gmx.com>>; synth-diy at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org> <synth-diy at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org>>
>> > Subject: Re: [sdiy] 20ms delay? analog allpass filter?
>> >
>> > If you consider Spin Semiconductor's FV-1 chip as a "bog standard
>> > electronic part", then yes.
>> >
>> > Roman
>> >
>> > W dniu 2023-02-07 o 04:18, Neil Harper via Synth-diy pisze:
>> > > hey everyone,
>> > > I've been messing around with some digital stuff, where it's really easy
>> > > to make delays to do accurate karplus-strong type sounds for example.
>> > >
>> > > Anyways, it got me wondering if there's any analog equivalent? Let's say
>> > > I want a 20ms delay, is that in the realm of requiring a dedicated IC to
>> > > do the delay, or is that possible with bog standard electronic parts
>> > > like opamps and capacitors? 2
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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