[sdiy] MPLAB-X alternative

[Mike Bryant]

STM32s are great .... but they are almost all out of stock at the moment with none on the horizons.  Only the G03 seems to be easily available.

I've got a product using STM32F730s and H750s sitting here waiting for enough devices to make them worth releasing.

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From: Synth-diy [mailto:synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org] On Behalf Of Steve via Synth-diy
Sent: 08 March 2022 14:35
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Subject: Re: [sdiy] MPLAB-X alternative

grant musictechnologiesgroup.com:
> From: "Roman Sowa" <modular at go2.pl>
>
>   > I will not elaborate why MPLAB-X is a pile of unusable crap, let's say
>   > I'd rather give up PICs in total than use it.
>
> This was exactly the motivation for my recent use of STM8. If it makes

Why bother with STM8, though? "I came from 8 bit, so this oughto be right" ?
STM8, from a first glace at mouser, does not look exactly cheaper than STM32.

If using ST-provided tools, while their CubeIDE is also a cross-platform, Eclipse based behemoth, it, and their libraries, have become usable if you know what to avoid / disable, etc, though.

The STM8 IDE you describe sounds a lot worse than my working experience with the Cube thing, anyway.
Debugging over SWD, I can't complain either.
Never used STM8 or SWIM, so I can't compare, but compared to anything PIC I tried, which has a useless mockery of "debugging" (no call stack, ONE whole HW breakpoint, or program memory-grinding software breakpoints),
STM32 debugging is quite helpful.
The CubeIDE shows all the peripheral register contents, register bits decoded by names matching the manual's etc., next to several call stack frames you can march through, with variable contents etc.
(the debug HW module inside a STM32 doing something can sometimes slow the thing down and be a party pooper, most notably when you have an enabled HW watchdog ^^ BUt otherwise, I have no complaints so far) Smaller STM32 have 3 HW breakpoints, medium ones I've used had 6, IDK if there's more on the fat ones, but I didn't ever really need more.

- Steve


> you feel any better, the tools for the STM8 are not great either (at 
> least the Cosmic compiler and STVD IDE). The code generated is HUGE 
> and the IDE crashed several times, once eating a file I was working 
> on. Oh, and the SWIM interface is "OK" at best. But at least when it 
> was working I had fairly modern tool debugging-wise. And the tools 
> still rely on JRE. But hey, a week or so later I have a working SP4T 
> illuminated pushbutton that uses almost all of the part's 8K of code 
> space. OK, perhaps I got carried away with the SP4T's MIDI 
> Implementation. :-)
>
> GB
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Roman Sowa" <modular at go2.pl>
> To: "Synth-diy" <synth-diy at synth-diy.org>
> Sent: 3/8/2022 3:30:32 AM
> Subject: [sdiy] MPLAB-X alternative
>
>> Can anyone recommend an alternative to Microchip's MPLAB-X?
>> All I need is just assembler, simulator, and obviously a way to 
>> program ICs with ICD3 or anything else.
>> I will not elaborate why MPLAB-X is a pile of unusable crap, let's 
>> say I'd rather give up PICs in total than use it.
>>
>> And the only reason I tried MPLAB-X, and tried several times, was 
>> that new devices are not supported in good old MPLAB IDE 8. And the 
>> main reason I need new PIC devices is because in contrary to old ones 
>> they're available this year, sometimes even in stock at distributors, 
>> and also come with more memory and peripherals, not to mention lower 
>> price than older PICs.
>>
>> I reckon there's no way to make MPLAN 8 accept new devices by simply 
>> writing some new config/definition files, huh?
>>
>> Roman
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