[sdiy] Oberheim Matrix 6 ---- 3.6v Lithium battery replacement.. or not ?

[Peter Pearson]

https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/xdfK07Ms

There's this shared project up on OSHPark.  I haven't ordered some yet but
been meaning to get around to it.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 7:38 PM BrightBoy via Synth-diy <
synth-diy at synth-diy.org> wrote:

> It still boggles the mind the spacing on a 2032 battery with integrated
> legs
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> is different from leg spacing on a 2032 battery holder.
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> To my knowledge and that no one has made a retrofit holder to match.
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> Someone take my 25 year old idea and run with it. Please!!!!
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> Cheers,
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> Jeff
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brianw <brianw at audiobanshee.com>
> Sent: Aug 7, 2022 5:12 PM
> To: Jean-Pierre Desrochers <jpdesroc at oricom.ca>
> Cc: <synth-diy at synth-diy.org>
> Subject: Re: [sdiy] Oberheim Matrix 6 ---- 3.6v Lithium battery
> replacement.. or not ?
>
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>
> I recommend:
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> #1) leaving it alone until it fails. I've never seen a 2032 leak.
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> #2) replacing with an identical BR2032 with the correctly-spaced legs for
> this PCB, assuming that you have plenty of experience with soldering
> vintage gear without damaging things like the pads. The worst thing is
> starting with a working synth and ending up with one that doesn't work, due
> to mysterious soldering issues.
>
>
>
> In particular, I recommend against modifying the Matrix 6 with either a
> battery holder or wire extensions. The single worst thing I've found when
> buying used synths is a battery flopping around and damaging other rare
> components because someone failed to replace the battery with the original
> configuration. These modifications are always worse than the original, or a
> replacement that's identical to the original.
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>
>
> Note that if you're finding BR2032 battery cells that don't fit the Matrix
> 6, then you need to keep looking. Go to a manufacturer site like Panasonic,
> and search their product category. Once you have confirmed the measurements
> of the pin spacings, look for an exact match in their catalog. From there,
> you'll have a specific product number to search for.
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>
>
> Case in point: I recently repaired an Ensoniq ESQ1. Searching the usual
> distributor sites, I couldn't quite find the right battery, or at least
> there didn't seem to be any guarantee about the pin spacings. After I
> looked in a battery manufacturer catalog and got an actual part number, it
> was really easy to find a distributor with parts in stock, cheap. This
> wasn't a 2032 battery, by the way, but the process of finding an
> appropriate part number works the same.
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>
>
> Brian Willoughby
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> On Aug 7, 2022, at 9:07 AM, John Speth wrote:
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> > Regarding soldering, I've faced that problem in the past. I've had good
> luck with preparing a battery by soldering red/black pigtails to the
> battery, wrapping it in heat shrink tubing, then soldering the pigtails to
> the board after snipping (no heat) the old battery out. Then figure out
> some way to anchor the battery (tie-wraps, etc) if necessary. It also makes
> it easier to replace the battery again 30 years later :)
>
> >
>
> > I think the key when working on old fragile boards is to take every
> precaution to avoid heating the board due to soldering. The pigtails
> provide a measure of soldering heat isolation. Soldering the wires to the
> battery requires a hot iron and flux.
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> >
>
> > JJS
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> >
>
> > On 8/7/2022 7:33 AM, Jean-Pierre Desrochers wrote:
>
> >> Hi all,
>
> >> A friend of mine brought me a working Oberheim Matrix 6 keyboard
>
> >> that he was worried about the inner memory lithium battery (BR2032)
>
> >> being about to die.. and to replace it.
>
> >> Well after a quick check the battery was still in pretty good physical
> condition (no leakage)
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> and was showing a strong 3.23v on its terminal (AC unconnected)
>
> >> So.. In this situation I’m wondering if this lithium cell should be
> replaced or not.
>
> >> I know this keyboard is at least 30-40 years old and many of the coin
>
> >> batteries of these vintage keyboards need to be replaced, but..
>
> >> And on replacement I thought about soldering a coin battery socket
>
> >> on the PCB pads BUT the battery placement on the PCB
>
> >> is very close to some IC’s as shown on the picture and
>
> >> would need the socket to be raised a little to avoid these IC’s.. I
> don’t like that.
>
> >> I could also buy a coin battery with PCB legs too like this one
>
> >> but again, replacement or not ?
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> >>
>
> >> I don’t know the year of manufacture of this Matrix but here are
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> >> the serial number and BIOS number.
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> >> SN: 7622661
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> >> BIOS: M6R 2.13
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> >>
>
> >> Your opinions are very welcomed.
>
> >> Cheers !
>
> >> Jean-Pierre
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