[sdiy] Seeking a very old & specific message from Dec 2006

cheater cheater cheater00social at gmail.com
Mon Sep 13 16:35:38 CEST 2021

You can lock to mains, and it'll filter everything out nicely,
assuming your mains feed and earth potential aren't affected by: a
blender, an oven, a cnc mill, a mogen, a tig welder, a relay computer,
an aluminium plant, ......................


On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 1:20 PM Neil Johnson <neil.johnson71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> > The notch filter concerned was this one:
> >
> > https://www.ti.com/lit/an/snoa680/snoa680.pdf
> >
> > The rather-too-perfect matching of component values in SPICE can make the simulated notch response really, really narrow, so it can be difficult to see that it is there at all. My suggestion was to replace the op amp follower in the simulation with a voltage-controlled voltage source where the gain can be set directly, to 0.9 say - this should make the notch much easier to see. (If the follower/buffer has gain 'k', the Q of the filter is apparently Q = 1/(4*(1-k)), so it blows up with k exactly 1.)
> >
> > (And from what I could gather from quick Googling last night, the filter tends to be rather tricky to use in practice, because of its use of such big resistor values and the necessity of getting component values 'just right' in order to have the notch exactly at 60Hz.)
> Very high Q notch filters in reality will be far less than the ideal,
> both due to component tolerances and also component drift over time.
> One way round this is done in the HP 339A where they wrap the notch
> filter inside a couple of servo loops locked to the main oscillator.
> If you really wanted to notch out mains noise then you would get the
> best result somehow locking the notch filter to the local mains
> frequency anyway as that is likely to vary during the day.
> Cheers,
> Neil

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