[sdiy] DIP LM13700 discontinuation

Benjamin Tremblay btremblay at me.com
Mon May 24 15:39:28 CEST 2021


Thank you folks! I appreciate it.

> On May 24, 2021, at 8:56 AM, john slee <indigoid at oldcorollas.org> wrote:
> 
> I don't use an oven, hot air, paste or stencils, and all my DIY is for my own use. I don't do anything with crazy tiny packages or BGA/QFN
> 
> For passives/diodes/transistors I put a blob of solder on one pad, heat it, place the part, hold it until the joint cools, then do a few more parts (only the same part value to help avoid errors!) the same way, and circle back and do the remaining pads
> 
> For SMD ICs I'll tack a pair of opposite corner pins in place and then do the drag soldering thing with some no-clean flux
> 
> I'm curious about trying low-volume outsourced assembly though (eg. Seeed's "Fusion" service) just for the experience of trying it. I enjoy the schematic capture and board layout process in Eagle — especially since I added automatic generation of front panel PCBs to my workflow! — but frankly I don't enjoy the assembly process that much anymore
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 22:01, Benjamin Tremblay via Synth-diy <synth-diy at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org>> wrote:
> Hey, please steer me in the right direction for a minimalist inexpensive smt workflow I can get started with. I love nonlinear circuits modules but afraid to build them. I had a dream a golden retriever was trying to talk to me, maybe that’s what it was trying to tell me.
> Thanks,
> Ben
> 
> Benjamin Tremblay
> 
> > On May 24, 2021, at 5:26 AM, Roman Sowa <modular at go2.pl <mailto:modular at go2.pl>> wrote:
> > 
> > Steve has already commented it so nicely, I just want to add a little.
> > 
> > First of all it's good you want to do anything with electronics at all and not spend all day wiggling a phone. If it's SMD or DIP is not a showstopper IMHO, all doable at home. There are also salvaged parts, you can make huge stock of parts by disassembling old disposed equipment. As a free bonus your soldering skills will improve.
> > About your fat chisel tip - don't assume SMD needs thin tips. Most of the time I use 2mm wide chisel for SMD, sometimes 5mm wide.
> > 
> > This is a good way of distraction from survival between paychecks, keep it up. It's fun with lots of specialized tools and materials, but it's even bigger fun with improvised minimal setup.
> > 
> > Roman
> > 
> > W dniu 2021-05-22 o 15:07, Benjamin Tremblay via Synth-diy pisze:
> >> I can accept that things are changing. But, the loss of through-hole larger components is a loss for me. I can adjust, but it is a loss.
> >> I don’t have much money for electronics. My purchases come in drips. $15 or $8 here and there. I’m using a fat chisel tip on my soldering iron because I don’t have budget for a new set of tips. I’m low on solder.
> >> I’m not going to have capital for tools and pcb fabrication. I never will. I use what I can get, and that’s how I will carry on. I do happen to have a cheap soldering microscope, but no nifty tools to make smt convenient. I was able to tack a ram chip onto my Teensy the stupid way and I know every time I do it that way I roll the dice to see how many times I have to do-over until all the pins are properly connected.
> >> Electronics will never be about gear or toys or well-stocked shelves above my tidy workbench. It’s how I distract myself while doing the calculus of survival between paychecks.
> >> Benjamin Tremblay
> >>>> On May 22, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Tom Wiltshire <tom at electricdruid.net <mailto:tom at electricdruid.net>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> In my opinion, trustworthiness of the source, primarily.
> >>> 
> >>> On eBay, you’re buying a chip. It might have the right number of legs. It might be marked with the right writing. It might even be the right chip. But that’s definitely not always the case.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On 22 May 2021, at 11:22, ShedSynth via Synth-diy <synth-diy at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> What are the practical differences between the TI/CoolAudio LM13700 and eBay
> >>>> items like these which still appear to have stock?
> >>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162776473998 <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162776473998>
> >>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172160273446 <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172160273446>
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Al
> >>>> 
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Synth-diy <synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org>> On Behalf Of
> >>>> mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca <mailto:mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca>
> >>>> Sent: 19 May 2021 13:07
> >>>> To: synth-diy at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org>
> >>>> Subject: [sdiy] DIP LM13700 discontinuation
> >>>> 
> >>>> It seems Texas Instruments is discontinuing the LM13700N - that is the DIP
> >>>> version of the part.  Mouser lists it as "End of Life" and links to this
> >>>> discontinuation notice dated May 12, 2021, with the last order date May 12,
> >>>> 2022:
> >>>> 
> >>>> https://www.mouser.com/PCN/Texas_Instruments_PCN20210505000_2021051212340278 <https://www.mouser.com/PCN/Texas_Instruments_PCN20210505000_2021051212340278>
> >>>> .pdf
> >>>> 
> >>>> I haven't been able to find this notice on the TI Web site, which still
> >>>> shows the product's status as "active," including the DIP version.
> >>>> 
> >>>> CoolAudio makes a 13700 clone and their data sheet describes both DIP and
> >>>> SOIC versions, but the DIP seems to be a unicorn.  CoolAudio doesn't sell it
> >>>> on their Web site, neither do any distributors, and a Web search for the
> >>>> purported part number of V13700D only turns up the data sheet.  I don't
> >>>> believe it really exists in any way accessible to hobbyists.  Maybe they'd
> >>>> make it for you if you ordered a million units.
> >>>> 
> >>>> A Chinese manufacturer called "XinLuDa" offers a DIP dual operational
> >>>> transconductance amplifier called the XD13700, available through LCSC, which
> >>>> seems to be a clone; I don't know how faithful it is or isn't.  They do note
> >>>> in their data sheet that there are differences in the buffer units between
> >>>> the XD13700 and XL13700 (which is their own surface-mount version of a
> >>>> similar part).  Interestingly, they claim that the DIP version is better -
> >>>> in which case why make them different at all?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Alfa offers a 3280 clone (data sheet says both DIP and SOIC, but the Web
> >>>> site only lists the SOIC); and something called the AS13704, which is a
> >>>> 13700-like OTA in a quad instead of dual configuration, and only in SOIC.
> >>>> Neither can directly replace a DIP 13700.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I think the 13700 may be a bellwether for through-hole packages in general.
> >>>> As basically the last OTA to be available in a through-hole version from a
> >>>> major manufacturer, it has a big share of the market for through-hole analog
> >>>> electronics.  If it makes sense to discontinue this product, that means the
> >>>> market in question is now too small to be worth serving anymore, and that
> >>>> assessment will be applied to other products too.  Memento mori.
> >>>> 
> >>>> --
> >>>> Matthew Skala
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