[sdiy] DIP LM13700 discontinuation

David G Dixon dixon at mail.ubc.ca
Wed May 19 22:10:24 CEST 2021

When DIP dies, I stop doing electronics.  I hate hand-soldering SMD -- it's
not fun.  In fact, it's insulting, because I'm not a robot and I resent
being taken as one.
But, seriously, I haven't used an LM13700 for 10 years or more, so I'm not
really too upset about that one.
Finally, why was the way email addresses are handled changed in this forum?
I used to be able to just click "Reply All" and it would go to the whole
list.  Not anymore.  Now I have to find the list name in my address book and
add it manually.  Please change it back.


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Existing established designs.  It's not trivial to "port" to smd the right
way, i.e. not just dumping into the new format without testing to ensure
it's still good (yes usually it will be, but it still has to go through the

As already pointed out, breadboard work.

Nothing dogmatic about simply noting the continued fading of through hole

The skill of soldering smd well is *different* from soldering through hole
well.  Easier or not this is still a concern to a lot of people who don't
have that experience with smd.


On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 8:46 AM chris <chris at chrismusic.de> wrote:

Hmm, I don't understand why people are dogmatically sticking to DIP.

Soldering SO is a piece of cake. Even my 60+ years old eyes and fingers
have no problems with SO. It's not as if it were 0.4mm pitch or BGA.

Or is it the old wives' tale that the holes make it sound better? 
Like f holes on a violin...?


On Wed, 19 May 2021 08:06:59 -0400 (EDT) mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:

> It seems Texas Instruments is discontinuing the LM13700N - that is the DIP
> version of the part.  Mouser lists it as "End of Life" and links to this
> discontinuation notice dated May 12, 2021, with the last order date May
> 12, 2022:
> I haven't been able to find this notice on the TI Web site, which still
> shows the product's status as "active," including the DIP version.
> CoolAudio makes a 13700 clone and their data sheet describes both DIP and
> SOIC versions, but the DIP seems to be a unicorn.  CoolAudio doesn't sell
> it on their Web site, neither do any distributors, and a Web search for
> the purported part number of V13700D only turns up the data sheet.  I
> don't believe it really exists in any way accessible to hobbyists.  Maybe
> they'd make it for you if you ordered a million units.
> A Chinese manufacturer called "XinLuDa" offers a DIP dual operational
> transconductance amplifier called the XD13700, available through LCSC,
> which seems to be a clone; I don't know how faithful it is or isn't.  They
> do note in their data sheet that there are differences in the buffer units
> between the XD13700 and XL13700 (which is their own surface-mount version
> of a similar part).  Interestingly, they claim that the DIP version is
> better - in which case why make them different at all?
> Alfa offers a 3280 clone (data sheet says both DIP and SOIC, but the Web
> site only lists the SOIC); and something called the AS13704, which is a
> 13700-like OTA in a quad instead of dual configuration, and only in SOIC.
> Neither can directly replace a DIP 13700.
> I think the 13700 may be a bellwether for through-hole packages in
> general.  As basically the last OTA to be available in a through-hole
> version from a major manufacturer, it has a big share of the market for
> through-hole analog electronics.  If it makes sense to discontinue this
> product, that means the market in question is now too small to be worth
> serving anymore, and that assessment will be applied to other products
> too.  Memento mori.
> -- 
> Matthew Skala
> mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca                 People before tribes.
> https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/
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