[sdiy] Reply to list

Fri May 21 12:29:48 CEST 2021

Whoops, seeing things out of order ---

that's just it though, the From: "sender name via ..." part only actually shows up if pressing reply or reply all (or when their message is quoted in someone else's email). It doesn't actually show when reading emails, or even when clicking on sender details.

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this is a random example from a recent through -- no idea who the sender is-

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Friday, May 21st, 2021 at 6:10 AM, Ben Stuyts <ben at stuyts.nl> wrote:

> As I tried to explain (badly perhaps), this rewriting of the From: header is sometimes necessary. DMARC is a policy for a domain which controls who is allowed to send mail for that domain.
>
> Therefor certain domains have a DMARC policy that will not allow a message from e.g. Cheater (using gmail) to be sent from the synth-diy.org domain. This would start bouncing and/or get our server blacklisted. In that case, From: will be rewritten to "cheater cheater via synth-diy <synth-diy at synth-diy.org>" and a Reply-To: with his real address will be added. (Which is perfectly legal in the DMARC system.) Because of the Reply-To: header, a simple Reply in your e-mail program will do the right thing and send the mail only to cheater. A Reply All will also pickup the list (and other) address from the From: and CC: headers. Roman’s domain does not use DMARC, so no rewriting is done.
>
> DMARC is being used more and more, and that is why you see this rewriting also happening more often. Unfortunately this is the best workaround we have for now.
>
> Use a DMARC checker if you want to see if your domain uses DMARC or not. (e.g. https://dmarcly.com/tools/dmarc-checker)
>
> Ben
>
>> On 21 May 2021, at 11:47, thresholdpeople via Synth-diy <synth-diy at synth-diy.org> wrote:
>>
>> When i do reply all, that works as expected, and in the quoted chain down below it does as well. But when new emails come in, many people's names are aliased as synth-diy at synth-diy.org.
>>
>> Roman, your's actually works, but for instance cheater's doesn't. Most people's doesn't. And I dunno about email clients. I just use the protonmail web interface, maybe it'd be different on a different client or email host..?
>>
>> Boris
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>
>> On Friday, May 21st, 2021 at 5:39 AM, Roman Sowa <modular at go2.pl> wrote:
>>
>>> I have absolutely no problems like that. Sometimes it adds "via
>>>
>>> synthdiy" at the end, but sender's name is always visible - see
>>>
>>> attachment. No problem with replying to all, to the list, seeing who
>>>
>>> sent it, sorting by thread, anything...
>>>
>>> Maybe because I'm using lame Thunderbird and not those fancy Microsoft
>>>
>>> or Apple products.
>>>
>>> Roman
>>>
>>> W dniu 2021-05-21 o 01:21, thresholdpeople via Synth-diy pisze:
>>>
>>>> The emails arriving with most senders labeled as synth-diy at synth-diy.org persists though, and it is only when clicking reply all, or eventually in quoted headers can you see the recipient - for instance when checking more info for sender details, it's still addressed as synth-diy as the email. There are a few folks whose names show up, but for most it's somewhat anonymized... even more problematic as there's a chunk of folks who don't have a signature or drop their names at the bottom (i'm guilty of this too!).. hard to know who is saying what sometimes.
>>>>
>>>> -boris
>>>>
>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 20th, 2021 at 2:50 PM, cheater cheater via Synth-diy synth-diy at synth-diy.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> David's problem has been apparently fixed (see parallel thread).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:48 PM Ben Stuyts ben at stuyts.nl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Correcting myself: I should have written DMARC, not DKIM below. For those wanting to know more about the settings: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 May 2021, at 16:49, Ben Stuyts ben at stuyts.nl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 May 2021, at 22:10, David G Dixon via Synth-diy synth-diy at synth-diy.org wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, why was the way email addresses are handled changed in this forum? I used to be able to just click "Reply All" and it would go to the whole list. Not anymore. Now I have to find the list name in my address book and add it manually. Please change it back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is related to the following: Unfortunately a change was necessary with regards to DKIM signed messages. More and more ISP’s would block or otherwise fail to deliver messages if those came from the list. So now, the list rewrites those as FROM: synth-diy at synth-diy.org and adds a REPLY-TO: original.sender at some.where.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On my Mac, I can just click the Reply All button and it goes to the sender and the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was discussed here: http://synth-diy.org/pipermail/synth-diy/2021-April/175907.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben
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