[sdiy] Keyboard style switches for synth keyboards? Keys from PBT plastic?

cheater cheater cheater00social at gmail.com
Sun Feb 7 00:47:36 CET 2021


I'm thinking at this rate you should give up synths and go for
stringed instruments

On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 11:04 PM Mike Bryant <mbryant at futurehorizons.com> wrote:
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> It's still a plastic.  The Fatar came out of a real tree.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cheater cheater [mailto:cheater00social at gmail.com]
> Sent: 06 February 2021 21:52
> To: Mike Bryant
> Cc: synth-diy at synth-diy.org
> Subject: Re: [sdiy] Keyboard style switches for synth keyboards? Keys from PBT plastic?
>
> the feel really depends on the mold
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 10:43 PM Mike Bryant <mbryant at futurehorizons.com> wrote:
> >
> > The varnish on the FATAR TP40/WOOD is pretty minimal, it's more a woodstain.  And some people even sand that off.  PBT is actually a real plastic, and is far more plasticy to my sense of feeling.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cheater cheater [mailto:cheater00social at gmail.com]
> > Sent: 06 February 2021 01:39
> > To: Mike Bryant
> > Cc: synth-diy at synth-diy.org
> > Subject: Re: [sdiy] Keyboard style switches for synth keyboards? Keys from PBT plastic?
> >
> > They don't feel like touching wood - they are varnished with something
> > that doesn't have the nice texture PBT has. You're touching varnish,
> > not wood. Varnish is usually a polymer of some sort nowadays, too,
> > so... it's plastic again
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 1:03 AM Mike Bryant <mbryant at futurehorizons.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > They feel like touching paper, or wood
> > >
> > > Or just get a real wood key Fatar keybed (when they are able to
> > > deliver them :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Synth-diy [mailto:synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org] On Behalf
> > > Of cheater cheater
> > > Sent: 05 February 2021 23:47
> > > To: synth-diy at synth-diy.org
> > > Subject: [sdiy] Keyboard style switches for synth keyboards? Keys from PBT plastic?
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > has anyone ever tried to use any of those new-fangled mechanical pc keyboard switches for synth keyboards? They have many actions and weightings, and you can even swap out the springs, so I think there's a lot there to use for us. I bought one of those switch testers (search for "130 keyboard switch tester" on aliexpress) and there's a lot of fun trying these out. I like the clicky ones especially much, like Kailh Speed Navy, it kind of feels like switching a ballpoint pen, a nice solid feeling. And they don't cost so much, 30 cents a piece. There are even hall effect switches being developed nowadays, so yeah, polyphonic aftertouch is feasible if you're after that. There are full pc keyboards full of those switches for $99, like the Ace Pad Tech APT04. The keyboard I am typing on, the Steel Series, uses hall effect switches. And there are open source firmware projects that support those switches. I guess next we need to get pc keyboard enthusiasts into vintage SEM and Roland and Yamaha synth chips, alnico speakers, pentode tubes, and 16-track tape.
> > >
> > > My recent experiments also revealed to me why I hate most synth
> > > keyboards. They're made out of slick, annoying ABS. The surface is
> > > sticky and gooey. I much prefer PBT keyboards. They feel like
> > > touching paper, or wood, depending on what finish the mold has been
> > > given (I think they blast the mold with beads and it depends on the
> > > size of those). Some PBT keys feel sharp, like touching a piece of
> > > stone (eg
> > > "9009 colorway sa profile Dye Sub Keycap Set thick PBT plastic keyboard gh60 xd60" from KPRepublic on Aliexpress) while others feel much gentler (like "MP Chocolate Coloring 123 KEYS SA PBT" from Mechanical Primitive on Aliexpress, which are my favourite set right now). Playing around with a beam spring keyboard showed that there's still quite a bit of value to making things larger. By virtue of how tall the beam spring switch is alone (~3cm), it feels very smooth, because the lever action created by lateral forces exerted on the key cap has only a very small effect on the faces undergoing friction.
> > >
> > > I hope everyone's good, as for myself the reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
> > >
> > > Cheers
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