[sdiy] favorite Youtube genre - "old guys repairing electronics"

[sleepy_dog at gmx.de]

Am 31.10.2020 um 16:12 schrieb David Simpson:
> Hi Steve.
> Thanks for this excellent description of your process. lots of helpful
> tips.
> Would love to see some pictures if you have them handy.

I don't have anything handy that would somehow showcase especially the
"tablet aided construction" as it were ;)
I reckon the end result doesn't really look much different than anyone
else's boards, other than I mentioned it specifically as an aid  to make
circuits of somewhat higher density than usual experimentel perfboard
circuits.
I can imagine there are persons who find this too fiddly mucking with
the software and are practised enough to just do it all in their head
and by sight of the circuit flawlessly, but I'm not such a one, so I
thought I throw it in there, maybe someone finds it useful.

Forgot to mention about the green plated-through perfboards that many
chinese eber sellers have,
while the fact they have contacts from top to bottom can help, you also
need to take extra care of course, to not make unintended connections,
especially with the lazy use of not-insulated wires to make long traces
I mentioned - then accidentally crossing one of the bottom side with one
on the top.


>
>
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> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 7:59 AM <sleepy_dog at gmx.de
> <mailto:sleepy_dog at gmx.de>> wrote:
>
>
>     Heh. If I need something quickly, cant wait for PCB, but also it
>     does have certain physical dimension requirements,
>     then I do get really "boring" and do "plan" perfboard - "what is
>     the fun in that" someone asked - indeed, what is the fun in that
>     sort of tedious, repetitive work alltogether?
>     Better make it as short as, and least error prone possible. It's
>     so much easier to reason about misbehavior of a circuit if it
>     actually matches what you have drawn - at least from the obvious
>     (not parasitic) components and their supposed connections.
>     While it's perhaps reasonabnly unlikely to make mistakes if you
>     have all the space in the world and basically solder together the
>     circuit as-is-drawn on some big ass perfboard, also leaving lots
>     of room for adding more stuff to experiment,
>     as things get more crowded and less intuitively placed, I found
>     the following to be helpful:
>
>     First of all, esp. for single-sided perfboard, I like to combine
>     THT ICs with SMT 0805 passives, as you can often put them
>     comfortably between legs and under the IC (on the bottom side of
>     the board), that already saves a lot of space - and wiring effort.
>     There are also these, often green, plated-through double-sided
>     perfboards - may reduce the insulated connections you have to make
>     (which take longer due to the need for burning away the insulation
>     / tinning), e.g. all GND with silver wire on the bottom, +V on the
>     top side, or so, other nets with insulated wire, where unconnected
>     crossings would be at least.
>
>     Also, in the type of scenario where I would, if I could, prefer a
>     small PCB, but don't want to wait,
>     I might already have a captured schematic in my chosen EDA
>     software anyway - or if it's small, I'll just do it quickly.
>     Then convert to PCB, and usually don't route anything, or at best
>     a few special traces to mark special preferences.
>
>     I put that on my small-ish tablet with stylus support, that
>     actually fits on my crowded soldering bench.
>     that also runs the EDA software. Then I:
>
>     foreach non-GND-net:
>         highlight net in PCB software
>         connect all net points in circuit with insulated "coil wire",
>     point-to-point
>         hide net's ratlines (or color existing traces) to make visible
>     what's still TODO - this shrinks more and more, and you can see
>     the light at the end of the tunnel
>
>     This, for me anyway, proved much less error prone than staring on
>     a paper printout and comparing it with the current physical as-is
>     schematic all the time (even when pencil checking traces ;) ).
>     Can basically do that half-asleep without making a mistake. (just
>     make sure to display the bottom side mirrored appropriately :D)
>
>     Then for the GND net I do the above, except I user silver coated
>     copper wire, a bit sturdier, and wherever possible, do not cut,
>     but bend around corners, using one long piece of wire across many
>     connections, saving some work steps. The silver wire will be over
>     all those coil wires, holding them in place a bit better, esp.
>     longer ones, and make it less likely that you will rip off any
>     connection by accidentally grabbing too hard anywhere.
>
>
>     - Steve
>
>
>     Am 31.10.2020 um 11:23 schrieb ShedSynth:
>>
>>     Hi all.
>>
>>     I use perfboard, but I don’t try to make it into a PCB.
>>
>>     I wire point-to-point with single core Kynar wire, normally used
>>     for wire-wrapping.
>>
>>     I use blue, black, red and yellow on the back for -12V, GND, +5V
>>     and +12V.
>>
>>     I use green for all signals, always on the component side.
>>
>>     I lay out the big things like pots, DIL sockets and capacitors on
>>     the board itself, and always try to leave rows of 4 holes to
>>     place resistors flat.
>>
>>     Then I follow the schematic, which might take several days – this
>>     isn’t a mass-production process.
>>
>>     I separate each functional block with a pair of pins + a jumper
>>     so I can test on the scope as I go and also so I can bodge blocks
>>     of completed circuits into something else.
>>
>>     Hope this might help somebody,
>>
>>     Al
>>
>>     If the picture comes through, it’s most of a Thomas Henry MAXIMUS
>>     3340 VCO.
>>
>>     The front is just as ugly.
>>
>>     *From:*Synth-diy <synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org>
>>     <mailto:synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org> *On Behalf Of *Timothy Burns
>>     *Sent:* 30 October 2020 15:17
>>     *Cc:* SYNTH DIY <synth-diy at synth-diy.org>
>>     <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [sdiy] favorite Youtube genre - "old guys
>>     repairing electronics"
>>
>>     Good lord, I wish I watched this yesterday. Also what the heck,
>>     did he /plan/ before he started soldering in components? What fun
>>     is that?
>>
>>     Thanks for the suggestions of video and audio channels, this will
>>     be great to have on hand as I re-solder everything from the last
>>     36 hours.
>>
>>     I'm not saying I'm going to start now, but does anyone have
>>     suggestions software or shortcuts for planning perfboard builds?
>>     Fritzling? (Asking for a friend.)
>>
>>     Thanks All!
>>
>>     Tim
>>
>>     On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 10:34 AM Ryan B8S <ryan at pimpdroid.com
>>     <mailto:ryan at pimpdroid.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Not an old guy, but I can't believe no one mentioned Synth
>>         Chaser at Synth Chaser dot com.
>>
>>         https://www.youtube.com/c/SynthChaser/videos
>>
>>         My favorite youtube channel by an order of magnitude.
>>
>>         On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 7:08 PM David Simpson
>>         <davidosimpson at gmail.com <mailto:davidosimpson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             I recently found this video and was astonished by the
>>             skill, technique quietude ala Bob Villa.
>>
>>             How to solder grid style PCB / 555 PWM DC-motor driver
>>             (EEEL1-3) <https://youtu.be/_ypW45Y8VSs>
>>
>>             What are your favorite channels for
>>             informative/instructive electronics repair? Preferable
>>             those who don't yell or are in a constant state of outrage...
>>
>>
>>             --
>>
>>             david o. simpson | cameraperson | binarymob.com
>>             <http://binarymob.com> | earth
>>
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