[sdiy] Marketplace Question

Thu Nov 5 19:44:09 CET 2020

I agree with the first part, figure out a complete buy-out price, do a 
gofundme if needed, then just donate Electronotes to AES, TapeOp, 
Waveform, whoever, I don't care. I would donate just to end this madness 
and I have no interest in the product, my brain is full.

On 11/5/2020 10:15 AM, Mark G via Synth-diy wrote:
> Maybe we just figure out a way through gofundme or something similar 
> to raise enough money so that Bernie gets an immediate influx of cash 
> plus enough additional to pay someone else to do all the work so that 
> he can continue to sell copies. That way they stay available, Bernie 
> makes some money, he controls all the sales and process, he retains 
> the rights to do whatever he wants to in the future, someone else does 
> the work. If it doesn't work out at least people got a chance to 
> purchase a copy again for a period, and Bernie gets a chunk of upfront 
> money. Plus hopefully it generates additional interest in Electronotes 
> so that there is a reasonable sales stream for a period generating 
> more money for Bernie.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BrightBoy <jdec at mindspring.com>
> To: synth-diy at synth-diy.org
> Sent: Thu, Nov 5, 2020 12:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [sdiy] Marketplace Question
>
> I should clarify that AES membership is around $200/year with the 
> PRINTED JOURNAL option.
>
> It's cheaper if you are happy with PDF copies of the journal.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: BrightBoy <jdec at mindspring.com <mailto:jdec at mindspring.com>>
> >Sent: Nov 5, 2020 11:54 AM
> >To: SDIY <synth-diy at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org>>
> >Subject: Re: [sdiy] Marketplace Question
> >
> >I just had another idea in chatting with another SDIY member on FB.
> >
> >Perhaps Bernie should donate the entire EN collection to the Audio 
> Engineering Society (AES)
> >
> >I can't imagine them turning that away and would want to see it archived.
> >
> >If you want access, you become an AES member (about $200/year)
> >
> >Clearly they know how to scan and archive stuff as all their journals and
> >conference proceedings are available for download.
> >
> >All AES members have free access to their entire library.
> >
> >And it furthers the organization.
> >
> >A nice living legacy.
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >
> >From: "Chromatest J. Pantsmaker"
> >Sent: Nov 5, 2020 11:36 AM
> >To: Gordonjcp
> >Cc: SDIY
> >Subject: Re: [sdiy] Marketplace Question
> >
> >I hate to say it, but when Bernard passes, somebody is going to make 
> digital copies and start selling them.  They're going to be 
> low-quality, even if they're high-quality scans.  A scanned-to-PDF 
> document is never as nice as a designed-for-PDF document.  Without 
> somebody like Bernard being emotionally involved enough to be doing 
> the QC, the product isn't going to be very good.  It likely won't be 
> searchable, maybe there's a TOC, but it won't link to the 
> sections/pages.  The graphics will be sub-par.
> >
> >Will people buy it?  It sounds like it. Personally, I have no need or 
> desire for it, even if it were a 600MB collection of files.  I'm not 
> the target audience though.
> >My point is this:  Somebody who already has a complete copy also has 
> access to a high-quality, hopper-fed scanner.  When they decide to 
> scan it, they'll have the entire thing scanned into PDFs in less than 
> a week.  The files then get uploaded to a for-pay file sharing site 
> and it's done.  Bernard gets nothing out of it, and everybody who 
> wants a new copy gets one that will never degrade, never get torn or 
> water damaged (assuming proper backups).  It will be an inferior 
> product, but they at least get the product.
> >I'm not advocating for this to happen in any way (like I said, I 
> don't even want a copy).  I'm just being as realistic about the world 
> as Bernard appears to be.
> >On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:57 AM Gordonjcp <gordonjcp at gjcp.net 
> <mailto:gordonjcp at gjcp.net>> wrote:
> >On Thu, Nov 05, 2020 at 03:32:30AM +0000, Bernard Arthur Hutchins, Jr 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Gordonjcp said:
> >
> >>
> >
> >> "There are literally people right here saying, "Say we can go ahead 
> with this and we will do it". Right here."
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I must have missed the part where you explain who (NOT ME!!!) and 
> how a team of 100 is managed. Herding Cats!  Back in 2017 I couldn’t 
> get even one person here to proof read a 2-page scan as a test.
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >Why would you need as many as 100 people?
> >
> >
> >
> >> Proposed group efforts have a warm-and-fuzzy “Kumbaya” aura to 
> them.  In general, it is folks standing around waiting for Mr. 
> Somebody Should and for a cue to take a bow.
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >You've heard of this "Linux" thing, right?
> >
> >
> >
> >> Old saying on farms: “A boy can do a man’s work, two boys working 
> together will do half a man’s job, and three boys working together 
> aren’t worth a damn.
> >
> >
> >
> >Okay, so what do you actually want?
> >
> >
> >
> >Are you happy enough with the status quo where people sell on the 
> only existing copies of Electronotes?
> >
> >
> >
> >Do you want more people to read it?  Do you want it gone forever?  
> What exactly are you shooting for here?
> >
> >
> >
> >Given that it seems to be one of the most jealously hoarded 
> collections of documentation going, and I've never even seen what's in 
> it, why would I bother to fork out hard cash for a tatty old second- 
> or third- or fourth-hand copy?
> >
> >
> >
> >Seriously, do you want help or not?
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Gordonjcp
> >
> >
> >
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