[sdiy] Marketplace Question
Roman Sowa
modular at go2.pl
Thu Nov 5 10:25:11 CET 2020
I didn't want to get involved in this, but maybe it's good time to
express my feelings, so maybe it's easier to get over it.
He's at least 72 as BrightBoy said, and he's doing it for like 40 years
IIRC. I mean 40 freaking years of doing exactly the same thing, that is
not even involving any engineering knowledge, expertise or brilliance.
It's just shuffling around tons of paper, dealing with customers,
shipping orders, storage, and whole formal burden to keep it al legal.
For once I was doing something for 11 years and I quit because it
involved a lot of stupid work I wasn't trained for. And it wasn't even
all that boring. Now I'm doing another thing, but the same thing day by
day for about 10 years and I'm this close from dropping it. So I think
Bernie is a hero for rolling it through all those years. Although I
think he gets panic attack everytime he sees a ream of paper.
A work of life, writing something innovative, with detailed analysis,
all of that probably to keep brain in good condition, and maybe because
there's still some grain of fun in it. It's hard to let it go for free
and see how it's becoming commercial success biger than ever, but for
someone else.
I have seen group effort several times in my life. Sometimes even on
this list, sometimes I was part of it. None of it worked, it all ended
up in arguing. If it involves more effort than letting your computer
find alien signal in SETI program, group effort is difficult to
organize. This reminds me a call center, where 100s of people are doing
the same job which is not too complex, but repetitive and lots of it.
Have you ever seen how call center works from the inside? Well, I have
and it's a disaster.
And my last thought on this - maybe at some point Bernie will not give a
shit anymore about it and throw it away or give it to first person who
asks. But if that person does not have enough money to hire 100
engineers in India to rewrite it, maybe the heritage will just fade away.
OTOH it could be just scanned AS IS, accepting possibility of unreadable
parts and discoloration, sort of art book with painings. And sell it in
services like Bandcamp sells music, or put up out there for free download.
Roman
W dniu 2020-11-05 o 05:20, BrightBoy pisze:
> To clarify, I meant a persistent legacy with accessibility to content.
>
> He's at least 72.
>
> He could die of Covid-19 at a moments notice.
>
> Does he have doomsday plan for Electronotes?
>
> Also, why isn't he selling paper copies right now?
>
> I don't see an explanation other than assumed/implied covid concerns.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ColinMuirDorward
> Sent: Nov 4, 2020 10:24 PM
> To: BrightBoy
> Cc: *SYNTH DIY
> Subject: Re: [sdiy] Marketplace Question
>
> Not to combative, but I think Mr. Hutchins has already left a legacy
> that will continue for generations to come!
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020, 7:45 PM BrightBoy, <jdec at mindspring.com
> <mailto:jdec at mindspring.com>> wrote:
>
> Everyone has a price.
>
> What would it take to buy the whole operation and Bernie
> relinquishes the burden around his neck for good?
>
> I fear he will probably die without leaving a legacy behind that
> will continue for generations to come.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David G Dixon __
> Sent: Nov 4, 2020 7:41 PM
> To: "'Bernard Arthur Hutchins, Jr'" __,
> synth-diy at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org>
> Subject: Re: [sdiy] Marketplace Question
>
> At the risk of some serious opprobrium, I'm just going to go
> ahead and address the 800-pound gorilla in the room:
> If no one has ever made any money from Electronotes, and
> (evidently) no one ever will, and the owner is unwilling to
> sell fresh copies, then why is it all protected and kept
> secret like the script of next year's blockbuster movie?
> Why not just put it all in the public domain and allow (or,
> indeed, encourage) anyone with a copy to scan it to PDF and
> put it all on the damned internet already?
> Bernie doesn't want to part with it, but he doesn't want to
> sell it, but he doesn't want to give it away, and he
> certainly doesn't want anyone who hasn't paid for it to ever
> see it. He might as well just throw it all on a bonfire and
> be done with it. I know that I, for one, am pretty tired of
> hearing about what an enormous burden it all is.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Synth-diy [mailto:synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org
> <mailto:synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org>] *On Behalf Of
> *Bernard Arthur Hutchins, Jr
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 04, 2020 2:56 PM
> *To:* synth-diy at synth-diy.org <mailto:synth-diy at synth-diy.org>
> *Subject:* [sdiy] Marketplace Question
>
> [*CAUTION:* Non-UBC Email]
>
> *Don wrote: On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Bernard Arthur
> Hutchins, Jr <bah13 at cornell.edu
> <http://synth-diy.org/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy>> wrote:__ __*
>
> >/__ __/
>
> >/READ - then comment -PLEASE.Reading comprehension PLEASE.
> __ __/
>
> >/__ __/
>
> >/I was ONLY interested to see if the Marketplace allowed
> people whom I might (as a courtesy) direct there to connect
> a willing buyer to a set of USED Electronotes (Ben says OK),
> not to reopen an uninformed, assuming, impractical, largely
> debunked discussion of how to supposedy provide new copies
> etc. ( I regret not letting the sleeping dog alone. )No
> suggestions please, unless you have ACTUALLY READ ALL the
> links and understood them (and, I suppose – have money to
> invest). __ __/
>
> /____/
>
> */Bernie’s comments in{ }__ __/*
>
> */____/*
>
> ____
>
> Bernie, __ __
>
> ____
>
> I *have* read and understood all that.And I agree that
> republishing 6500 pages of complex technical material is a
> gargantuan task that nobody in their right mind would want
> to attempt. __ __
>
> ____
>
> But that's not what I suggested.__ __
>
> ____
>
> Again... I am proposing to recruit an editorial team (from
> here or Muff Wiggler) and publish a regular-sized book of
> selected Electronotes articles on a particular topic,*{Who
> (specifically)recruits the team? Who pays them? Volunters!
> (Don’t be silly.) Who pays the printer?}* do it up nice, and
> see how the book does in the market.If successful, turn
> another topic into the next book.__ __
>
> ____
>
> The important part is that you, Bernie, would not be doing
> the work, other than advise and approval.*{Sorry – not
> available.}*__ __
>
> ____
>
> I know *exactly* how to do publication-quality plots and
> schematics.It's not difficult.And we could put together a
> set of tools to assist in much of the work.__ __
>
> ____
>
> ---__ __
>
> ____
>
> Second proposal:__ __
>
> ____
>
> Would you, Bernie, consider allowing others to republish
> Electronotes material on their own *{the offer has been out
> for 20 years}*, in the form described above, with a
> percentage of the revenue going to you? *{Upfront?}*__ __
>
> ____
>
> ---__ __
>
> ____
>
> My overall point is that this stuff is culturally,
> technically, and historically important, the modular
> synthesizer renaissance has created a demand, there are very
> few books out on this topic, the current state of EN
> distribution is mostly inaccessible *{Not true IF people
> look for USED copies -try this first}*, and there's money to
> be made *{NOT in 40 years so far!}*.__ __
>
> ____
>
> ---__ __
>
> ____
>
> And one more...__ __
>
> ____
>
> What if there was a publishing company that specialized in
> upscale books on electronic music?__ __
>
> ____
>
> -- Don__ __
>
> --__ __
>
> Donald Tillman, Palo Alto, California__ __
>
> http://www.till.com <http://www.till.com/>__ __
>
> *____*
>
> *{THANKS DON – Bernie}__ __*
>
> ____
>
>
> ____
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