[sdiy] Programming Language Recommendation

Shawn Rakestraw shawnrakestraw at gmail.com
Fri Dec 4 19:12:58 CET 2020

Jason, that's a good point about Braids. I have 5 of them....lol

Now I feel like I should explain that. I have 1 real one and I built 4
Antumbra Knots, in part to try them as 4 voice polyphonic oscillators with
an expert sleepers ES-3.

I could easily try that out. I will admit though that the code for Braids
is so complicated that I don't know where to begin.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 1:04 PM Jason Proctor <jason at redfish.net> wrote:

> This. The Arduino is perfectly capable of doing CV based stuff - and a
> vanilla one could send MIDI fast enough to crash my MIDI interface.
> I built a 5U shell around an Arduino with MIDI and CV ins and outs (proper
> DAC etc) and it was my Swiss army knife for MIDI and CV processing
> (sometimes at the same time). I was hoping to build a standard sw/hw
> platform with a community development of sketches etc, but then the
> Euroduino came along.
> If you're just getting started in doing this, don't really know C yet, and
> have a Euro case, I would advise finding a Euroduino and exhausting its
> possibilities before jumping in the deep end with STM32. It's quite a
> forgiving environment.
> Another shallow curve option would be buying a Braids and selectively
> modifying Emile's firmware.
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 9:55 AM Spiros Makris <spirosmakris92 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> STM32 has its own libraries (nicknamed "HAL" - hardware abstraction
>> layer) which in many ways feels like an arduino; of course the names of the
>> functions and the structure of the whole thing is different, but the goal
>> is similar.
>> The controllers you're probably interested in all use C/C++ so as far as
>> languages go, that's the most obvious (and reasonable) choice. C can be
>> confusing but I think most of it should be within reach for anyone with a
>> programming affinity.
>> Don't get into the library trap that many Arduino developers seem to
>> fall. They are nice to kickstart a project and give you an idea of how
>> things work but don't be fooled into thinking that you can postpone
>> learning the "deeper" stuff forever. Hopefully, all the stuff you need will
>> be out there, maintained and working well; that has rarely been the case
>> for me, there's always something missing and you have to fill in the blanks.
>> Try not to think of embedded C like you would a high-level scripting
>> language like python. You are not commanding obscure black boxes around and
>> some manager just figures it out - you need to be conscious of what you are
>> asking the system to do and very specific as to how it will be done.
>> Abstraction, objects and other such features help you manage this
>> complexity, but it will always be there to an extend.
>> Arduino (atmega328p basically) is perfectly capable of doing lots of
>> stuff.  It certainly can't do DSP, but that's only a small part of what
>> digital modules do inside our synths. Unless you really are shooting for
>> sound processing or generation chances are an Arduino nano will do just
>> fine.
>> Spiros
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 4:49 AM Shawn Rakestraw <shawnrakestraw at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Please don't go into extreme detail (unless you really want to). I ask
>>> too many simple questions and I feel bad that everyone spends great amounts
>>> of time with it.
>>> I am thinking about programming ARM chips like the STM32 for something
>>> like Braids. I know that I will not be making my own Braids module anytime
>>> soon, but I would like to start thinking about the language I need to
>>> learn. I know the most about C++. I also realize that my question may be
>>> better asked as what libraries should I load / study up on.
>>> Thanks guys/gals
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