[sdiy] History of SDIY?

[paula at synth.net]

whilst I agree on the most part.

I will say that if the list is known as SDIY, and then someone writes a 
blog/book about the list with their interpretation/definition of SDIY 
then it could discourage those who are outside of that from joining.

But I whole heartedly agree with point 3 :)



On 2018-05-30 19:35, David G Dixon wrote:

> Here are my thoughts (as if anybody cared):
> 
> 1) Defining stuff isn't the problem.  Taking offense, or putting too 
> much importance on those definitions, is the problem.  So chill the F 
> out already.
> 
> 2) Let the guy write whatever history he wants to write, and define 
> SDIY any way he wants.  That's his right as the author.  If you think 
> he left important stuff out, then write your own damn book.
> 
> 3) My definition of SDIY: Does it go "bleep"?  Then it's a synth.  Did 
> you do it yourself?  I.e., did it not exist, and then you did it and 
> now it exists?  Then you "did it yourself" and it qualifies.  Easy 
> peasy, lemon squeezy.
> 
>> -------------------------
>> FROM: Synth-diy [mailto:synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org] ON BEHALF OF 
>> Steve
>> SENT: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 4:45 AM
>> TO: synth-diy at synth-diy.org
>> SUBJECT: Re: [sdiy] History of SDIY?
>> 
>> Paula wrote:
>> 
>>> and THIS is precisely why I feel defining something is BAD.
>> 
>> I'd like to see you solder something with a banana. Yes of course the 
>> 4-wheeled, 5-doored banana. By wheels I mean chocolate chips. You 
>> know, those with 45% lead.
>> 
>> "Defining something" is not the problem, or not a bigger one than 
>> mostly anything else. It's not perfect or always obvious, like it 
>> tends to be with everything humans do. E.g. "taxonomists" don't have 
>> it easy, and some doodoo heads claim it's all arbitrary, although my 
>> dog, that son of a bitch, never wanted to meow.
>> 
>> Anyway.
>> In this particular instance:
>> To claim "making software synths yourself" was somehow not "doing 
>> synths yourself", eventhough there is an agreement that a "software 
>> synth" *is* "a synth", is a contradictory statement, or just plain 
>> wrong.
>> At least if one is going with actual meanings of words.
>> 
>> Now there are people who think in the first split second when some 
>> label for something appeared, the limited context of that time is 
>> somehow frozen for eternity, even though the higher concept of the 
>> things being referenced clearly permits inclusion of more things still 
>> covered by the abstract concept.
>> 
>> I'd say those people are wrong, but I have nothing precisely to say 
>> about that atm ^^
>> 
>> - Steve
>> 
>> VON: paula at synth.net
>> AN: "Stephan Vladimir Bugaj" <stephan at bugaj.com>
>> CC: "synth-diy mailing list" <synth-diy at synth-diy.org>
>> BETREFF: Re: [sdiy] History of SDIY?
>> 
>>> This belief is why so few of us "purely" software folks find their 
>>> way
>>> to this list, sadly
>>> I hardly see why Serum (predominantly written by two people in their
>>> homes) wouldn't be SDIY, yet many of the Eurorack builders would be
>>> If you ported Serum to, say, ARM and put it in a box with some knobs 
>>> on
>>> it, it would magically transform from "not a synthesizer" into a
>>> synthesizer?
>>> 
>> 
>> and THIS is precisely why I feel defining something is BAD.
>> BY defining it you are limiting it, I do NOT believe we should be
>> shunning software synth people.
>> Their craft lies in their code.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Paula, if you water down the definition too much it becomes
>>> meaningless. 99% of people I know, when they think SDIY they think of
>>> hardware synths and modules, whether they are analog or digital. To 
>>> me
>>> at least it makes sense to keep ITB and dedicated hardware somewhat
>>> separate. Call it Soft Synth DIY if you will :)
>>> Just my 2 c
>> 
>> ok, so, 99% of people on SDIY are male, so does that mean things made 
>> by
>> women are not SDIY?
>> That's exactly where this kind of "lets define things" debate ends up
>> and that is not healthy.
>> 
>> So, let's stop trying to define this list, let's enjoy it and embrace
>> the diversity!
>> 
>> Paula
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