[sdiy] History of SDIY?

Tue May 29 22:43:25 CEST 2018

Well, I apologize if my musings have offended or excluded anyone. I'm
mostly airing thoughts to see how they fare, in the interest of
collectively arriving at a definition that would be useful for the OP, to
narrow his focus making the project less overwhelming.

On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Scott Gravenhorst <music.maker at gte.net>
wrote:

>
> Quincas Moreira <quincas at gmail.com> wrote:
> >--===============4210419811675696385==
> >
> >Paula, it's not elitism because I'm not saying software is any worse or
> >less valuable than hardware. My intention is just to be realistic as to
> >what people think about when they hear the term SDIY.
> >You are the first
> >person I ever heard say a home made VST is SDIY.
>
> If it needs another voice, I'll say it too.  Code written to make a synth,
> regardless of
> what runs it, is no less SDIY than someone's soldered module from
> downloaded schematics.
>
> >I understand your
> >argument, but I'm a practical person, and I think language is meant to
> >communicate, not confuse. If we make a definition that's too broad it
> loses
> >all purpose, IMO. But sure, we can agree to disagree. I have sounds to
> make
> >now with my SDIY machines :)
>
> I think that an all encompassing definition is not "too broad" for a topic
> as broad as
> SDIY.  Many terms are of this nature - politics for example.  I'm an old
> timer and I've
> seen some amazing things.  I've a friend who made a MIDI controlled
> bagpipe.  SDIY? - you
> bet.  I've written synth code which contains very few if any "traditional
> parts such as
> ADSR" and yet, it makes music, it is a synthesizer and I did it myself -
> again SDIY.  And
> I think as we move into the future, we'll see more and more unusual new
> ideas that make
> music by people who do it themselves.
>
> I also think this discussion is veering into territory that the OP might
> not have intended
> - discussing the definition of SDIY?  He was asking about the history of
> it, but maybe
> more clarification from the OP can help pull it into more of an answer to
> his own question.
>
>
> >On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:13 PM, <paula at synth.net> wrote:
> >
> >> well, I think that's somewhat discriminatory against a lot of people
> doing
> >> a lot of cool stuff with software. consider the mutable instruments
> stuff,
> >> it sounds amazing, it's software in a box.. to say "it's only SDIY when
> >> it's hardware" is, I believe fundamentally wrong and bad for the
> community
> >> as it smells of elitism.
> >>
> >> S we'll have to disagree.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2018-05-29 21:05, Quincas Moreira wrote:
> >>
> >> Paula, if you water down the definition too much it becomes meaningless.
> >>> 99% of people I know, when they think SDIY they think of hardware
> synths
> >>> and modules, whether they are analog or digital. To me at least it
> makes
> >>> sense to keep ITB and dedicated hardware somewhat separate. Call it
> Soft
> >>> Synth DIY if you will :)
> >>> Just my 2 c
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM, <paula at synth.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> why?
> >>>
> >>> if I write a softsynth, and put it in a VST that's not synth DIY? But
> if
> >>> I write a softsynth and put it in a chip in a box that is synth DIY?
> >>>
> >>> Paula
> >>>
> >>> On 2018-05-29 16:11, Quincas Moreira wrote:
> >>> Oh, I would leave soft synths out of it for clarity's sake...
> >>>
> >>> Software running in a dedicated module or hardware synth, sure :)
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:05 AM, <paula at synth.net> wrote:
> >>> Fair points Tom.
> >>>
> >>> Though I'd disagree with the electronotes comment, it only covers
> >>> analogue synthesis techniques.
> >>>
> >>> for me SDIY encompasses analogue, digital, hybrid and soft synths, as
> >>> long as you made it yourself :)
> >>>
> >>> Paula
> >>>
> >>> On 2018-05-29 15:43, Tom Wiltshire wrote:
> >>> No need to pigeon hole, but if you were (say) writing a book on the
> >>> topic, you'd have to decide what you put in and what you leave out.
> >>>
> >>> I think the magazines and books give a pretty good idea of what was
> >>> going on through the decades. The Brabani books and R.A. Penfold and
> >>> R.M.Marston have quite a lot to answer for in my case.
> >>> In many ways, Bernie's Electronotes *is* the history of Synth-DIY
> >>> already! Ok, it's only a single source and a single editor, but it
> >>> follows the progress of the field over a long period of time and
> >>> covers pretty much everything sooner or later. I doubt there's a more
> >>> comprehensive overview.
> >>>
> >>> Tom
> >>>
> >>> ==================
> >>> Electric Druid
> >>> Synth & Stompbox DIY
> >>> ==================
> >>>
> >>> On 29 May 2018, at 13:18, paula at synth.net wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Why classify/pigeon hole "what" SDIY is?
> >>> The world seems obsessed with putting things in boxes, let's not do the
> >>> same here please
> >>>
> >>> On 2018-05-29 12:36, Rob Kam wrote:
> >>> Unlike for the history of electronic music http://120years.net/,
> >>> apparently
> >>> there's not much documentation specifically for the history of DIY
> >>> electronic music equipment. I have some questions, if I may.
> >>> How to define SDIY - it's not just exclusively synths, amateurs making
> >>> electronic music circuits as opposed to plugging together ready-made
> >>> parts?
> >>> When did SDIY begin and how has it developed over the years? Especially
> >>> since the invention of semiconductors but before then should also be
> >>> included. What were the significant moments and who were the pioneers
> >>> along
> >>> the way?
> >>> Bob Moog sold Theremin kits in the 1950s. Guitar pedals began
> development
> >>> in
> >>> the 1960s. Before this there were guitar amplifiers with effects built
> in,
> >>> and earlier still people used magnetic tape. The PAiA FAQ states that
> the
> >>> 1970s were busy, the 1980s were quieter, (with the hobbyists being
> >>> distracted by PCs) and that interest picked up again in the 1990s. PAiA
> >>> has
> >>> been producing synthesizer kits since 1972. Electronotes started in
> 1972.
> >>> Various magazine articles by authors such as Tim Orr, John Simonton,
> Don
> >>> Lancaster, Craig Anderton, etc. give some sort of indication. The
> earliest
> >>> DIY electronic music instrument books seem to be from the early to
> >>> mid-1970s.
> >>> How to distinguish what's SDIY from R&D? Obviously the pioneers and
> >>> inventors like Harald Bode and Kraftwerk had to DIY; does this get
> >>> ignored?
> >>> Does it begin with the electro-magnetic Helmholtz resonator?
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> >
> >
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