[sdiy] Autotuning CEM3340/V3340 oscillators

paula at synth.net paula at synth.net
Thu Sep 21 23:51:30 CEST 2017


Dave, 

 which is perfect when you want more resolution at a lower voltage..  

so you could have 4096 steps with a range from 0V to 10V 

then as you get to a lower voltage (say < 2V) you can swap to 4096 steps
for that range, which should work well for Tom in his situation as his
problem is with the resolution at lower voltages. 

Paula

On 2017-09-21 22:24, Dave wrote:

> As long as you don't mind variable step sizes.
> 
> -Dave 
> 
> On September 21, 2017 11:02:45 AM PDT, Tom Wiltshire <tom at electricdruid.net> wrote: 
> 
> Yeah, using a 4922 with one driving the other's Vref is a good idea. That saves doing the weighting of the two DAcs at the VCO's summing CV input. Thanks Paula. 
> 
> Tom
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> On 21 Sep 2017, at 11:56, paula at synth.net wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> for 008 we used an analog devices 14bit DAC, which is beautiful, but is SMD and quite pricey (but SUPER linear and stable).
> 
> If you want more bit depth/resolution, why not use two DACs and have one driving the Vref of the other?
> A single MCP4922 should do the trick (available in Through hole too), 12 bit, dual channel external Vref for each DAC.
> 
> Paula
> 
> On 2017-09-20 13:19, Tom Wiltshire wrote:
> Hi all,
> A little while ago I was asking about setting the lowest frequency on
> a V3340 oscillator, because I was struggling a bit. In the end, it
> seemed to be only prototype woes, and the board has been fine since.
> Since then, I've been experimenting with autotuning the VCO using a
> PIC (a 16F1778), and I thought some of you might be interested to hear
> a progress report.
> I have the PIC receiving a MIDI input and producing control voltages
> for the VCO via both channels of a MCP4822 dual 12-bit DAC. The pulse
> output of the VCO drives a NPN transistor to pull down one of the
> PIC's input pins to act as a tuning input.
> Tuning the VCO isn't too difficult, except at the very low end (I'll
> come to that in a mo). I'm using the typical "successive
> approximation" method, which is described nicely in the Prophet T8
> service manual. In short, you set the highest bit of the DAC, then
> measure the waveform period. If the waveform period is too short, you
> clear the bit, and otherwise you leave it set. Then you move to the
> next bit down, and set that and repeat the test. When you get down to
> the lowest bit, you have the DAC value that gives you the nearest
> frequency below your required frequency. Note any errors are always on
> the low side because of the algorithm.
> There have been some quirks. One is that I'm running the PIC at 32MHz,
> and consequently have 32MHz or 8MHz available as 16-bit timer clock
> frequencies. Even with prescale settings of /2, /4, or /8, this is too
> fast to measure frequencies below 16Hz. I got around this by keeping
> track of timer overflow, which effectively gives me a 17-bit counter,
> which is *just* long enough for the job. To be honest, no-one will
> notice tuning errors way down there anyway - it's on the border of
> sub-audio.
> Another quirk is using a cheap SPI DAC with only 12-bit resolution.
> There are some nice TI 16-bit DACs available in 8-pin DIP, but they
> cost £10/unit, unlike the one I'm using. Obviously I could go SMD, but
> I'm avoiding that.
> Twelve bits isn't enough to produce a good CV over the full MIDI note
> range. 4096 / 128 notes = 32 sub-semitone steps, or about 3 cents -
> not audible, but borderline. So I'd thought to produce an fairly
> general "Octave CV" on one channel and a more detailed "Note CV" on
> the other, which would cover only a part of the full range - say four
> octaves (4096/48 = 85 steps, much better). This seems to work pretty
> well, as far as it goes. I can't decide how wide to have the Note CV.
> Would it make sense for it to only cover a single octave? That's the
> most efficient in some ways, but by making it wider, I can do larger
> pitch shifts without having to change the Octave CV. That makes
> updates quicker and also removes the risk of a glitch at the moment
> the octave switches. It's "six of one and half a dozen of the other",
> as we say in English.
> Another problem is the SPI interface. Since I have to send two bytes
> to program a 12-bit variable into the DAC (so four bytes for the two
> CVs) there is a limit to how fast the DAC can be updated. You can then
> reduce that theoretical maximum another chunk to allow for actual
> calculation time. This is a problem for something like MIDI pitch
> bend, where the data needs filtering (e.g. more calculation time) and
> also needs sending out frequently enough no steps are audible. Adding
> smoothing to the analog CV would be one solution, but if the steps in
> the Pitch Bend are heavily smoothed by analog filtering, then no rapid
> changes in Note CV are possible. Unless you change things around and
> use a separate channel for Pitch Bend CV, with the Bend CV filtered
> and the Note CV not - but then that's three DAC channels for one note!
> Not very efficient!
> The advantage of that is that *only* the Pitch Bend CV has to update
> rapidly. The Note and Octave CVs can change only when a new note is
> played - much simpler.
> Finding the best way to do this with low-cost and easily-available
> chips is proving not entirely straightforward. There are a lot of
> possible ways to arrange things in terms of the range of the various
> CV channels and the distribution of different data to the CV channels,
> and I'm experimenting to see what gives a decent result.
> Hope this is of interest,
> Tom
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