[sdiy] Odp: Re: Euro Synth Spec

Thu Oct 26 00:52:35 CEST 2017

to be fair, all of those situations (with the exception of the Mungo/Hinton
thing, perchance) happen on 5U. the difference isn't the technical
standard, it's the sheer number of different kinds of people using the gear.

5U = real synth nerds
Euro = literally everyone vaguely interested in modular

standards aren't going to help you with your inrush current. even real
nerds can get that wrong :-)

but i do curse the Euro power connector every time i install or remove a
module in my synth, for sure.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 2:44 PM, john slee <indigoid at oldcorollas.org> wrote:

> How do you like the nearly-daily threads on the MuffWiggler Euro forum
> about one or more of the below?
>
> * why is there hum in my recordings
> * halp my recordings are noisy
> * my Radio Music fails to power up the first time I switch the power on
> but the second time it's fine whyyyy
> * I added <something> to my system and now <something else> isn't working
> * some random power supply issue leading to yet another flamewar between
> Mungo/Graham Hinton
>
> That's not really what I have in mind when I think of spectacular
> synth-laden Serengeti safaris.
>
> I had a quick browse through a few pages of the 5u forum threads and
> spotted nothing obviously like this. Not to say that it's not there... but
> it wasn't painfully obvious like it is in the Euro forum.
>
> Let's hope that this Euro "standards committee" actually has a positive
> impact on things.
>
> John
>
>
> On 21 October 2017 at 06:57, Tim Ressel <timr at circuitabbey.com> wrote:
>
>> Roman has a point, up to a point. Eurorack certainly has its problems.
>> Roman didn't even mention the 12V rails, where 15V is so much better. But
>> it also has its charms.
>>
>> It sounds like Roman is against Eurorack, and that is fine. There are
>> other formats, like 5U for example. There you have only 2 different power
>> connectors versus the inferior one choice for Eurorack. Also fixed width
>> panels that always seem to be too small or too big. But at least the panels
>> are black and 1/4" jacks are so kewl and there is a spec for the font. Oh,
>> wait...
>>
>> This came up several years ago on my modules. I did extensive testing and
>> found the font doesn't affect the sound at all.
>>
>> I've never seen panels other than the usual 1.6mm, so no sure about that.
>> Sliding nuts are a great way to torture prisoners of war. Heck, even my
>> friend Jeph who swore by sliding nuts changed his mind when he got a case
>> with nut strips. Of course there is a way to fix the sliding nut issue:
>> fill the rails all the way up with nuts, then remove 1 nut for wiggle room.
>> Rails with or without lip, I have both,  don't care either way. As for
>> screws, yes, three different sizes is a pain in the posterior. But screws
>> are cheap and so are Altoids cans.
>>
>> And by the way, I have a standard jack color: It is silver ;-)
>> I should also point out that there are standards for Eurorack:
>> http://www.doepfer.de/a100_man/a100m_e.htm
>> http://www.doepfer.de/a100_man/a100t_e.htm
>>
>> Sadly, no spec for the font.
>>
>> Perhaps Roman should consider founding a new format. It sounds like he
>> has strong opinions on how things outta be. For me though, a format that
>> has rigid standards for every last little thing sounds like going to the
>> zoo: see the animals safely behind cages, no risk of anything going wrong,
>> eat some popcorn. I prefer a safari on the Serengeti: Not so safe, never
>> know which guide you're going to get, my get eaten by a lion. That's what
>> Eurorack is like.
>>
>> --Timbo
>>
>>
>> On 10/20/2017 11:45 AM, Roman wrote:
>>
>> Why bother with color jacks since whole eurorack is a mess!
>> Power source - no specs at all, power cable - crap, power connector -
>> mistake, mounting screws - M3 or M2.5 or inch-something, various rail types
>> resulting in different srew lenght requirement, rails with or without lip,
>> mounting holes in if full HP or half-HP location, sliding nuts - insanity,
>> panel thickness and materials, from 1 to 5mm, and I haven't even touched CV
>> ranges, neither in/out impedances, this list can go on and on.
>> And anybody considering standarize jack colors? Gimme a break. How about
>> uniform font?
>>
>> Roman
>>
>> Dnia 20 października 2017 19:39 Quincas Moreira <quincas at gmail.com>
>> <quincas at gmail.com> napisał(a):
>>
>> I think I prefer the way Random Source does the Serge colour coding in
>> Euro, it goes on the panel rather than on the jack. just a coloured circle
>> around each jack. And keep it simple, just red, black and blue, more
>> becomes messy, IMo
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 11:41 AM, Vladimir Pantelic <vladoman at gmail.com>
>> <vladoman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> except for the Doepfer range, no other module I have uses these right
>> angle Cliff jacks. And I don't even know where to buy the colored version
>> from.
>> so unless I do full color print panels, I see not way to implement this
>> scheme even if I wanted.
>>
>>
>> On 10/20/2017 06:05 PM, Andre Majorel wrote:
>>
>> http://www.elby-designs.com/webtek/panther/panther-jacks.htm
>> I think that it would make panels look like angry fruit salads
>> and that might be counter-productive. A quick way to tell
>> outputs from inputs would be nice, though. Something like the
>> Cwejman S1 but using brightness rather than hue. Eg white for
>> outputs, black for inputs.
>>
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