[sdiy] From Bernie of Electronotes
Rick Jansen
rick.jansen at xs4all.nl
Mon Jun 26 10:11:03 CEST 2017
It's a hassle. You have created something you care about. A lot. Then all of a sudden a lot of people want you to do things. Differently. Their way. Causing you more work. And more worries.
I understand this a bit, I think. Been/am there :-)
rick
> On 26 Jun 2017, at 09:23, Roman Sowa <modular at go2.pl> wrote:
>
> then he can sue the printhouse for shitload of money, because they are the only one who sees that PDF.
>
> Roman
>
> W dniu 2017-06-26 o 08:12, Rick Jansen pisze:
>> All very well, but I have a hunch that a pdf version will make it's way
>> into the "public" domain pretty quickly, whatever the price we will
>> agree on, here.
>>
>> rick
>>
>> On 26 Jun 2017, at 07:45, Roman <modular at go2.pl <mailto:modular at go2.pl>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was going to comment in similar way.
>>> Whatever is printed already, it's printed and must go. Am I right that
>>> Electronotes are sold in a form of binded xeroxed pages? Or what? So
>>> maybe for future batch it's better to scan them straight to PDF
>>> anyway, no OCR, editing and all that stuff, it has to be the easy way.
>>> And then print them in average printhouse, there's one on every corner
>>> nowadays. 6000 pages is like 13 books of about 470 pages each,
>>> A4-sized. And I mean real books like you get in walk-in bookstore. The
>>> cost of printing one such book in quantity of 1 (one) is less than
>>> $20, and drops down to less than $7 at qty=50, so merely $90 for a
>>> full set of 13. Add a markup of $100 and it's still a bargain.
>>> I know that 470-page PDF full of hi-res scans would be tremendously
>>> huge, and definitely kill my computer during scan, but maybe it's
>>> worth considering.
>>>
>>> Roman
>>>
>>> Dnia 25 czerwca 2017 19:50 Roman <paula at synth.net
>>> <mailto:paula at synth.net>> napisał(a):
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> I was putting forward a suggestion to help with costs of reprinting,
>>> postage, etc.
>>> Putting this on amazon for even say $75 would still result in way more
>>> sales than of people who can afford $370+ for a series of books.
>>>
>>> Not with standing the existing printed copies, which I'm sure would
>>> sell as a lot of people prefer paper to screen, it would be better for
>>> the environment and somewhere like Amazon could handle all the
>>> sales. So
>>> no missed emails, no printing, no shipping, that all saves a LOT of
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Paula
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-06-25 18:37, Tom Farrand wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I disagree about an e-book for $50. Please consider the
>>> following for
>>> my reasoning:
>>>
>>> Bernie said: "Not only do I have many such (the same original
>>> printings), and we
>>> mail the sets out weekly, but many of you on this mailing have the
>>> same. So much for finding a rare treasure."
>>>
>>> The key phrase here is "I have many such..." which is in the
>>> present
>>> tense. Bernie later disclosed what the actual costs are for
>>> getting
>>> these printed. My tiny little brain takes Bernie at his word
>>> that he
>>> has "many such" and that means he is sitting on a ton of
>>> previously
>>> printed material. I am certain he would like to recoup his
>>> considerable investment before some well-wishing "helpers"
>>> turn his
>>> many dollars of investment in paper (not to mention the huge
>>> amount of
>>> sweat equity he has put forth!) and turn it in a fifty-buck
>>> PDF that
>>> will be cracked before sunset.
>>>
>>> The issue here is not one of available technology to turn
>>> black marks
>>> on paper into encapsulated Post-Script. The issue is that the
>>> owner
>>> of this intellectual property has an interest in and ultimate
>>> say-so
>>> of how his intellectual property is disseminated ... if at all.
>>>
>>> I think paper is fine as-is. At least the volume of the paper
>>> hints
>>> at the enormity of the effort it took to create this huge
>>> volume of
>>> work. The idea of reducing a lifetime of work into a fifty
>>> buck PDF
>>> borders on insulting. Can I reduce your life's work into a
>>> $50 PDF?
>>> Is that what a lifetime of work is worth nowadays? People: think.
>>>
>>> Tom Farrand
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Tom Wiltshire
>>> <tom at electricdruid.net <mailto:tom at electricdruid.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Fair enough. You clearly have had access to much better
>>> scanners
>>> than me!
>>>
>>> Tom.
>>>
>>> ==================
>>> Electric Druid
>>> Synth & Stompbox DIY
>>> ==================
>>>
>>> On 25 Jun 2017, at 16:21, paula at synth.net
>>> <mailto:paula at synth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, have to disagree..
>>> Most scanners have page feeders now and will happily
>>> scan 1000+
>>>
>>> pages and save to PDF, just by loading the document in and
>>> hitting
>>> "Scan"
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, OCR would be more onerous, but a simple type
>>> index page and
>>>
>>> linked chapters wouldn't take much effort and would save
>>> bucket
>>> loads of paper and open new markets for the papers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paula
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-06-25 14:39, Tom Wiltshire wrote:
>>>
>>> On 25 Jun 2017, at 14:28, Michael Zacherl
>>>
>>> <sdiy-mz01 at blauwurf.info <mailto:sdiy-mz01 at blauwurf.info>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 25.Jun 2017, at 15:18 , Ben Stuyts
>>> <ben at stuyts.nl <mailto:ben at stuyts.nl>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Although I already own the complete set of
>>> Electronotes
>>>
>>> (thanks, Bernie!), I'd love to have an Ebook version too.
>>> It would
>>> make searching so much easier.
>>>
>>> wouldn’t that involve lots of OCR-ing of the
>>> old issues?
>>>
>>> It certainly would. A lot. Scanning them all would
>>> be a big job,
>>>
>>> but
>>>
>>> OCR'ing them all too would be a major task.
>>> Until we get robots and AI that can do this sort
>>> of stuff for us,
>>> there's a lot of information that's just going to
>>> stay on paper.
>>>
>>> But I
>>>
>>> don't believe that point is that far away.
>>> Tom
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