[sdiy] From Bernie of Electronotes
Roman Sowa
modular at go2.pl
Mon Jun 26 09:23:35 CEST 2017
then he can sue the printhouse for shitload of money, because they are
the only one who sees that PDF.
Roman
W dniu 2017-06-26 o 08:12, Rick Jansen pisze:
> All very well, but I have a hunch that a pdf version will make it's way
> into the "public" domain pretty quickly, whatever the price we will
> agree on, here.
>
> rick
>
> On 26 Jun 2017, at 07:45, Roman <modular at go2.pl <mailto:modular at go2.pl>>
> wrote:
>
>> I was going to comment in similar way.
>> Whatever is printed already, it's printed and must go. Am I right that
>> Electronotes are sold in a form of binded xeroxed pages? Or what? So
>> maybe for future batch it's better to scan them straight to PDF
>> anyway, no OCR, editing and all that stuff, it has to be the easy way.
>> And then print them in average printhouse, there's one on every corner
>> nowadays. 6000 pages is like 13 books of about 470 pages each,
>> A4-sized. And I mean real books like you get in walk-in bookstore. The
>> cost of printing one such book in quantity of 1 (one) is less than
>> $20, and drops down to less than $7 at qty=50, so merely $90 for a
>> full set of 13. Add a markup of $100 and it's still a bargain.
>> I know that 470-page PDF full of hi-res scans would be tremendously
>> huge, and definitely kill my computer during scan, but maybe it's
>> worth considering.
>>
>> Roman
>>
>> Dnia 25 czerwca 2017 19:50 Roman <paula at synth.net
>> <mailto:paula at synth.net>> napisał(a):
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I was putting forward a suggestion to help with costs of reprinting,
>> postage, etc.
>> Putting this on amazon for even say $75 would still result in way more
>> sales than of people who can afford $370+ for a series of books.
>>
>> Not with standing the existing printed copies, which I'm sure would
>> sell as a lot of people prefer paper to screen, it would be better for
>> the environment and somewhere like Amazon could handle all the
>> sales. So
>> no missed emails, no printing, no shipping, that all saves a LOT of
>> time.
>>
>> Paula
>>
>>
>> On 2017-06-25 18:37, Tom Farrand wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I disagree about an e-book for $50. Please consider the
>> following for
>> my reasoning:
>>
>> Bernie said: "Not only do I have many such (the same original
>> printings), and we
>> mail the sets out weekly, but many of you on this mailing have the
>> same. So much for finding a rare treasure."
>>
>> The key phrase here is "I have many such..." which is in the
>> present
>> tense. Bernie later disclosed what the actual costs are for
>> getting
>> these printed. My tiny little brain takes Bernie at his word
>> that he
>> has "many such" and that means he is sitting on a ton of
>> previously
>> printed material. I am certain he would like to recoup his
>> considerable investment before some well-wishing "helpers"
>> turn his
>> many dollars of investment in paper (not to mention the huge
>> amount of
>> sweat equity he has put forth!) and turn it in a fifty-buck
>> PDF that
>> will be cracked before sunset.
>>
>> The issue here is not one of available technology to turn
>> black marks
>> on paper into encapsulated Post-Script. The issue is that the
>> owner
>> of this intellectual property has an interest in and ultimate
>> say-so
>> of how his intellectual property is disseminated ... if at all.
>>
>> I think paper is fine as-is. At least the volume of the paper
>> hints
>> at the enormity of the effort it took to create this huge
>> volume of
>> work. The idea of reducing a lifetime of work into a fifty
>> buck PDF
>> borders on insulting. Can I reduce your life's work into a
>> $50 PDF?
>> Is that what a lifetime of work is worth nowadays? People: think.
>>
>> Tom Farrand
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Tom Wiltshire
>> <tom at electricdruid.net <mailto:tom at electricdruid.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Fair enough. You clearly have had access to much better
>> scanners
>> than me!
>>
>> Tom.
>>
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>>
>> On 25 Jun 2017, at 16:21, paula at synth.net
>> <mailto:paula at synth.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, have to disagree..
>> Most scanners have page feeders now and will happily
>> scan 1000+
>>
>> pages and save to PDF, just by loading the document in and
>> hitting
>> "Scan"
>>
>>
>> Yes, OCR would be more onerous, but a simple type
>> index page and
>>
>> linked chapters wouldn't take much effort and would save
>> bucket
>> loads of paper and open new markets for the papers.
>>
>>
>> Paula
>>
>>
>> On 2017-06-25 14:39, Tom Wiltshire wrote:
>>
>> On 25 Jun 2017, at 14:28, Michael Zacherl
>>
>> <sdiy-mz01 at blauwurf.info <mailto:sdiy-mz01 at blauwurf.info>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 25.Jun 2017, at 15:18 , Ben Stuyts
>> <ben at stuyts.nl <mailto:ben at stuyts.nl>> wrote:
>>
>> Although I already own the complete set of
>> Electronotes
>>
>> (thanks, Bernie!), I'd love to have an Ebook version too.
>> It would
>> make searching so much easier.
>>
>> wouldn’t that involve lots of OCR-ing of the
>> old issues?
>>
>> It certainly would. A lot. Scanning them all would
>> be a big job,
>>
>> but
>>
>> OCR'ing them all too would be a major task.
>> Until we get robots and AI that can do this sort
>> of stuff for us,
>> there's a lot of information that's just going to
>> stay on paper.
>>
>> But I
>>
>> don't believe that point is that far away.
>> Tom
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