[sdiy] Pulsonix PCB design software

[sleepy_dog at gmx.de]

Julian Schmidt wrote:

>
>> Julian Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> > Most of what he describes are user errors
>>
>> Yeah. Conveniently by definition... that's relevant how?
> by that argument you could also say you want the gas pedal in your car 
> to be on the left side instead of right and the car should work how 
> you want it to work.

You give arbitrary changes which are functionally equivalent, he gave 
meaningful descriptions of why those things are bad.
He thinks the program deviates too much from some (more or less) UI 
standards,
wheras your example demands gross deviation from THE (probably legally 
enforced) standard.
So, bad example - and in vain:

> I'd say if you press the brake and expect the car to accelerate that 
> is a user error. 
Beside the point. The reason for his complaints wasn't to get 
compensation for a project he botched by using the program wrong.
Describing some mishaps were to illustrate what parts of the program he 
has gripes with.
He thinks it is *wrong* that things work like they work, which is 
legitimate.

To go back to your car example: In his eyes, he actually was hitting the 
brakes, and the damn thing accelerated. While the yay sayers there try 
to tell him that's a good thing.
(that example holds water at least for the usage patterns *not* 
involving explicitly named things like (well named) context menu entries)

Also, saying "user error!" = "RTFM" is really unconvincing as a reply to 
my original reply to the statement "KiCad is really easy to use".
;-)

> if you want to move a component without breaking the wire you have to 
> hold the "strg" key on the keyboard... or use "g" instead of "m"

Price question: Why would you want a movement function that breaks wires?
If they do that because they have no command to disconnect wires from a 
component, that would be a reason, but not a good one.
The necessity to move objects around while keeping wires intact is *far* 
more frequent than that to disconnect wires.
Any sanely designed UI would make this the default action then, and 
require explicitly stating the other option for the less frequent variant.
And that's one of several examples he gave where they broke that basic 
rule. A program that makes me do all sorts of unnecessary key pressing 
is not my friend.

> I don't say it is perfect and I admit it still needs a lot of work in 
> some areas, but I can perfectly work with the program.
> I even think it is much better than for example LT Spice ;) and I much 
> prefer it over eagle.

LTspice... well, my demands for fancy stuff aren't that high towards it. 
I hack in some circuits to test. Not to document & make PCBs. So I 
forgive it its limits editing wise. Wires are handled stupidly there, 
that's for sure.
Now EAGLE is a program of an alternate universe where there's always 
1989, and established UI standards don't exist.
At least that was my impression ;-) But it probably has "everything", 
considering how long that thing has been around, eh?



>>
>>
>> *Von:* "Julian Schmidt" <elfenjunge at gmx.net>
>> *An:* synth-diy at synth-diy.org
>> *Betreff:* Re: [sdiy] Pulsonix PCB design software
>> hmmm... been using kicad for a few years now.
>> Most of what he describes are user errors or just don't happen in the 
>> build I use (zooming for example is always mouse pointer centric).
>> Ok, I'm using the linux version and take my version from the latest 
>> build and not the old stable branch that is behind a lot of versions...
>>
>> I don't say it is perfect and for sure has some annoying behaviors, 
>> but I really like working with it and I could not do any PCBs anymore 
>> without "push and shove" and really like that it's currently getting 
>> a spice integration.
>> Am 25.07.2017 um 22:25 schrieb sleepy_dog at gmx.de:
>>
>>
>>     > Kicad might be worth looking into. It's reliable, easy to work with
>>
>>     Reeeeally?
>>     https://www.reddit.com/r/KiCad/comments/41n6c6/i_want_to_love_kicad/
>>
>>     If that's a good sampling of the GUI's typical "design" choices,
>>     "braindead" (like the guy called it in the last post) seems an
>>     apt label.
>>     (alone that going back to center all the time when zooming,
>>     warrants some HARD lashes on the butt)
>>
>>
>>
>>     Am 25.07.2017 um 21:21 schrieb Gordonjcp:
>>
>>         On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 07:37:37PM +0100,paula at synth.net  wrote:
>>
>>             I've heard nothing but good things about it.
>>             I'm tempted to look into it some more as Eagle is getting a bit pricey.
>>
>>         Kicad might be worth looking into.  It's reliable, easy to work with,
>>         doesn't lock your drawings up in proprietary file formats and you can't
>>         argue with the price.
>>
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