[sdiy] panning vca
Chris Juried
cjuried at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 8 20:11:50 CET 2016
What was your reasoning behind substituting Opamps?
Best,
Chris
http://www.JuriedEngineering.com
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Joe<joe.frey at radioles.com> wrote: No, it's not a boring question. Though, my answer may be. I recently
made an XY joystick from a TRS-80 game controller and I thought it would
be clever to use one axis to throw the audio around. It kept to the
oddballness of my sound processing rig. So, despite good advice to make
something else instead, I made this because I only needed one input
signal and one control voltage. By the way, I substituted a TL074 and
made a harness for a LM13600. The noise did not decrease.
On Tue, 2016-03-08 at 11:25 +0100, Mattias Rickardsson wrote:
> Sorry for the potentially most boring question, but why not build it
> out of two OTAs instead? Giving a more trustworthy construction,
> identical behaviour for the two channels, proper offness by design, a
> choice of better pan laws than the linear one, and much much lower
> noise if using LM13700/NE5517?
>
> Might even be done quicker than getting the old circuit working
> properly. O:-)
>
> /mr
>
> Den 8 mars 2016 3:28 fm skrev "Joe" <joe.frey at radioles.com>:
> Hello all, I hope I am not becoming tedious with this project.
> I have
> built a panning vca using a single ota and I am having
> problems with
> noise. The circuit does what it is supposed to do.
>
> http://www.sdiy.org/richardc64/mmvca/index.html
>
> The power supply I am using is here
>
> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/ggg_bipolar_ps.pdf
>
> I did as Tom suggested here:
>
> 10u to 220u between V+ and 0V and between 0V and V- where
> power comes in
> (filter caps) - watch polarity, of course.
> 100n between V+ and 0V and between 0V and V- as close to the
> power pins
> of each IC.
>
> So I unclipped the test leads I used to to put these caps in
> my circuit.
> So theses caps are not in my circuit any longer.
>
> I heard no appreciable change in the noise so I unclipped the
> test leads
> I used to to put these caps in my circuit.
> And, then I created a little custom socket and replaced the
> CA3080 with
> a LM13600 and heard no real change. I went back to the CA3080.
> Now I
> have it all boxed up and I am getting a HUGE amount of radio
> in the
> circuit. I tried to Google rf filter for audio circuits but
> have found
> nothing applicable, just lots of dissertations.
> Do that caps that Tom suggested above stop RF? Thanks in
> advance.JoeF.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2016-02-29 at 23:08 +0000, Tom Bugs wrote:
> > 10u to 220u between V+ and 0V and between 0V and V- where
> power comes in
> > (filter caps) - watch polarity, of course.
> > 100n between V+ and 0V and between 0V and V- as close to the
> power pins
> > of each IC.
> >
> > On 29/02/2016 22:03, Joe wrote:
> > > Tom, No. As I stated I am strictly monkey see, monkey do.
> Trying to
> > > change that. I am going to get a book, now. Ray Wilson's
> "Make: Analog
> > > Synthesizers" was recommended.
> > > Can you tell me what to add where? Thanks.
> > > Joe.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2016-02-29 at 21:34 +0000, Tom Bugs wrote:
> > >> Question - do you have filter & bypass caps on the
> circuits? They're not
> > >> shown in the original schematic.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 29/02/2016 17:06, Joe wrote:
> > >>> Hello and thanks. My power supply is the bipolar power
> supply circuit
> > >>> provided by General Guitar Gadgets found here
> > >>>
> http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/ggg_bipolar_ps.pdf
> > >>> I have used it before but for other circuits that
> generate cv. There
> > >>> never seemed to be noticeable downstream noise in the
> audio in those
> > >>> circuits. Those circuits were the EFM pv-1 and an
> envelope circuit Harry
> > >>> Bissell sent me, also EFM I bet. I used 3080s in those,
> too. I find the
> > >>> same noise where the ground is connected from the
> bipolar power supply
> > >>> board to the panning vca board, by the way.
> > >>> My audio probe is a 0.1uf cap on the tip of an audio
> cable with the
> > >>> audio cable shield connected to ground.
> > >>> So, before I try to use a LM13700, is there some
> procedure I can use to
> > >>> determine the noise source. Removing ICs and powering up
> or something
> > >>> like that?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, 2016-02-29 at 15:06 +0100, Rutger Vlek wrote:
> > >>>> The CA3080 is known to be a bit noisy, but if you find
> it everywhere (even in the ground) I'd do a more fundamental
> check on your power supply and measurement setup.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> How do you supply the board with power? How do you do
> the audio trace exactly? Just to be sure that the noise is
> actually in the board, not in the measurement method :).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Rutger
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 29 feb 2016, at 03:46, Joe wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hello there, I built this panning VCA and I am happy
> with how it sounds
> > >>>>> except there is a lot of background noise. I tried to
> audio trace the
> > >>>>> noise but I find it everywhere, even in the ground
> plane. Is there some
> > >>>>> advice that someone can give me about how to isolate
> it. Thanks.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sat, 2016-01-23 at 12:58 -0500, Joe wrote:
> > >>>>>> Thanks to all! You guys are the awsomest ever! Joe.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Fri, 2016-01-22 at 16:13 -0500, Joe wrote:
> > >>>>>>> I am planning on building this single as a panning
> VCA by Richard
> > >>>>>>> Curcio.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> http://www.sdiy.org/richardc64/mmvca/index.html
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I can source a CA3080 and since I am only building
> one I am not worried
> > >>>>>>> about expense. Here's the thing, I don't know what
> pot values to use for
> > >>>>>>> the trimmers and I am definitely thrown by the
> current controlling DC
> > >>>>>>> trimmer, though I understand how to wire it. Can
> anyone take a minute(or
> > >>>>>>> few) to help me figure them out? Thanks, Joe.
> > >>>>>>>
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