[sdiy] triangle core VCO comparators

Richie Burnett rburnett at richieburnett.co.uk
Sat Feb 27 12:27:24 CET 2016


Thanks for that link Olivier. I would never have anticipated that behaviour. 

-Richie,

Sent from my Xperia SP on O2

---- Olivier Gillet wrote ----

>> How common is this *really* in the ordinary kind of op amp today?  The
>> OP27 seems to have it.  Any others?
>
>A few TI parts I've used, and which have them: OPA165x, OPA166x,
>OPAx171, LME497x0, OPA277
>A few parts which do not have them: TL07x, LM324 / LM358, OPAx134, OPAx192
>
>I've found about it because there's a straightforward situation in
>which they cause a problem: non inverting amp or buffer, with an
>AC-coupled input (capacitor between signal input and V+ ; large
>resistor between V+ and ground - typical guitar preamp). If the input
>signal slews too fast for Vo and V- to follow, the voltage difference
>between both inputs is large enough to cause one of the diodes to
>conduct, and the resulting current charges the AC-coupling capacitor!
>This causes an unwanted DC offset (which the capacitor at the input
>was supposed to eliminate).
>
>This issue drove me crazy - I've tried several op-amps I had and did
>not understand why the circuit worked with some and not others - and I
>could not locate the parameter that played a role since this is rarely
>mentioned in the datasheets.
>
>http://e2e.ti.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/14/input-diodes-for-ac-coupled-circuiits.pdf
>
>On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 11:09 AM,  <mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca> wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Feb 2016, rsdio at audiobanshee.com wrote:
>>> I wouldn't call these common or ordinary. You'd think that low noise
>>> would mean they'd have to remove the protection diodes, but I'm no
>>> op-amp design expert. As I mentioned above, we ended up redesigning the
>>
>> I wonder if the changes in geometry needed to create low-noise input
>> transistors tend to oppose their handling high voltages, so that the
>> protection diodes become necessary.
>> --
>> Matthew Skala
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