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[rsdio at audiobanshee.com]

Ah, it's been so long since I tried, I had forgotten.

My real issue is that Google tracks everything, and then asks me to log in to my Google account whenever I try to access one of their resources. If I try to maintain any modicum of privacy, that's shot to hell when Google follows all of the relationships and tries to link all internet activity into a single identity. It gets to be a hassle to manage the professional Google accounts from the amateur/hobby accounts versus the private accounts. I seriously prefer simpler systems like mailman which do not do any of the tracking.

Yahoo might not have the same degree of tracking as Google, but I seem to recall that the last time they changed hands I ran into all kinds of account troubles. I also don't trust that Yahoo won't be hacked for the purposes of harvesting their vast lists of email addresses. There's also the problem that any time Yahoo changes ownership, the new buyers have instant access to all of the email accounts. They may have privacy guarantees, but when the old company sells out there's nothing stopping them from passing on all the email addresses.

Other than the slightly higher hurdle to find a host, I see no disadvantage to using mailman, and even that is only an issue at the start. Once things are set up, mailman is much better for everyone. Google and Yahoo trade a little bit of convenience at the start for a world of downsides that are ongoing. I don't even like the archival and online access modes of Google and Yahoo Groups - they're just not very efficient to use.

Thanks for the correction, though.

Brian


On Aug 26, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Jason Proctor <jason at redfish.net> wrote:
> fwiw -- in my experience it's not necessary to have a Google / Yahoo account just to use their group services, you can subscribe, post, etc, via email.
> 
> however, due to flaws in the way Yahoo Mail does signatures, users there may encounter incompatibilities dealing with Google services, among others.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:12 PM, <rsdio at audiobanshee.com> wrote:
>> Synth-DIY already runs on mailman, the best mailing list software. Not only can you disable digest mode and filter HTML, but each individual user can make their own choices about such settings without affecting everyone else. The sysadmin has the ability to restrict options, but can also leave many options to the members on an individual basis.
>> 
>> I'm opposed to Google and Yahoo because they require you to have an account with them in order to subscribe to a list. Although I wouldn't mind signing up with either of them just to get to this list, it's still a negative because I don't want to be checking Google mail and Yahoo mail every time I check my personal email.
>> 
>> Considering the fact that mailman is so ubiquitous, and it poses no restrictions on who can sign up or what kind of email hosting they have, I don't see any reason to bow to the viral Google/Yahoo style of operations.
>> 
>> So, thanks for running the list, Rick, and I hope you can migrate the existing mailman setup to a new host. Preferably, the xs4all.nl domain would remain the same. I was going to offer my server, which also hosts several mailman lists, but I can't promise the same level of sysadmin support as Hugh's OZLabs or XS4All or anyone else. Seems like we have plenty of options, so I vote for sticking with mailman regardless of where the server hosting lands.
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 3:22 AM, Andre Majorel <aym-htnys at teaser.fr> wrote:
>> > On 2016-08-25 05:53 -0300, Alexandre Souza wrote:
>> >> Rick, with yahoo groups and google groups, why have a
>> >> dedicated server?
>> >
>> > If you have your own server, you can do things like disabling
>> > digest mode and filtering out HTML. Just that does wonders for
>> > the readability of the list. Come to think of it, you could even
>> > filter out top-posting... <g>
>> >
>> >> Can't googlegroups fulfill the needs of synth-diy?
>> >
>> > Not my first choice. I don't like Bigcorp to know what I'm
>> > reading. Also, last time I tried, there was no way to create a
>> > Yahoo account without giving them your mobile phone number. I
>> > don't have one and, if I did, I wouldn't particularly want Yahoo
>> > to know it.
>> >
>> > If we must use a service, there are less privacy-destroying
>> > alternatives out there. A good one is
>> >
>> >  https://www.freelists.org/