[sdiy] ADSR Trigger/Retrigger behaviour

Tom Wiltshire tom at electricdruid.net
Mon Jun 30 12:06:10 CEST 2014


I'm digging the style of this, Dan. Molly Bloom's soliloquy for synth nuts!

On 30 Jun 2014, at 05:12, Dan Snazelle <subjectivity at hotmail.com> wrote:

> actually there are ways of using a modular to do other types of synthesis besides subtractive .
> ( FM synthesis for starters)
> 
> and i think that even though its a very rough/ basic distinction, you can listen to a modular with a lot of "west coast style " modules and a modular with a lot of "east coast style modules " and they would cover quite a different range of sounds while maybe having crossover in the middle.
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> ( i was at the brooklyn premiere of the i dream of wires. " short edition" film last night. and its funny how stark the difference is when they switch from people playing  on buchla systems to people playing on moog modulars) 
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> and though one of your responses seemed to imply that digital modules sound bad, there have been some great things happening in that realm with granular, with looper/ samplers, with wavetables, and with some modules allowing people to use their own code or edit the code .
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> every year at NAMM i see more and more customers , dealers and companies getting into modular. 
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> and most of them have their own unique ideas of what modular synthesis means or could mean to them.
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> and i think/ hope that as the tools grow/ change /etc, that will only expand.
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> these things are giant audio sandboxes. and no two need to fit the same goal.
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> and btw you can make  either "noisy " or beautiful music with many synths or traditional band instruments.
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> i dont think that modules growing into new areas are forcing whippersnappers to make noisy music.
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> you can make super noisy chaos with nothing but a high gain amp with spring reverb and a guitar feeding back. 
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> and you could push basic oscillators into chaos through cross coupling. 
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> i guess my question  is at what point is a line drawn where one waveshaping method  or filter type or modulation source is deemed classic and acceptable and another is labelled as " not sounding like a synth?"
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> the source of uncertainty is considered a classic and its quite far out. 
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> ring modulators and drones with feedback were really hot with artists in the 60s but that might sound like a racket to some.
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> its all relative.
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> and thats good for you David because i know that intellijel and all the other modular companies ( mine included ) would sell far fewer modules if not for those crazy kids and their racket. 
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> its their desire for new sounds and new toys that keeps modular growing. and ive heard a lot of really cool music being made with them
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> and of course there are lots of people who make horrid music with their systems
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> but that should be a given
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> having all the great tools doesnt make someone talented or creative
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> but thats true of a huge percentage of guitar players too!
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> different strokes indeed
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> no problem there!
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 29, 2014, at 11:31 PM, "David G Dixon" <dixon at mail.ubc.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> I just really love the sound of the classic analog synthesizers, and that is
>> what got me into it in the first place.  Sure, there are all kinds of things
>> one can do with a modular (which, in my view, often make every modular
>> player sound exactly like every other modular player, but nevermind), but
>> it's the sound I'm talking about.  You can tart up (or f**k up) the sound
>> with all sorts of modulations, but the basic sound is that of an analog
>> subtractive synthesizer, and that's what I like.
>> 
>> Different strokes.
>> 
>> 
>>> much agreed!
>>> 
>>> ive always been confused when people get tons of modules set 
>>> up to make a simple mini-moog" sound.
>>> 
>>> the thing that most attracted me to modular was the idea of 
>>> sound exploration, new ways of creating melodic /rhythmic 
>>> interest, and the ability to go far beyond what any of my 
>>> previous synthesizers had been able to do.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ye
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2014, at 12:03 PM, "Ian Fritz"
>>>> <ijfritz at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> At 09:55 AM 6/29/2014, David G Dixon wrote:
>>>>> I like ADSRs because they make synthesizers sound like
>>> synthesizers.  
>>>>> I don't want my synthesizer to sound like other
>>> instruments.  I want 
>>>>> it to sound like a synthesizer.  It's a unique and lovely class of 
>>>>> instruments unto itself.
>>>> 
>>>> So tell us, what does a synthesizer sound like?  I've
>>> always thought the point of a modular system was to have the 
>>> flexibility to make a wide range of sounds, not to reproduce 
>>> what other synthesizers sound like.
>>>> 
>>>> Ian
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