[sdiy] Squabbling (was Re: [WTB] IR3R01 in UK)

[cheater00 .]

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Pete Hartman <pete.hartman at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 1:41 AM, cheater00 . <cheater00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Say if someone stole something expensive from you, and we were all sitting
>> at a table at a diner talking synths. The thief shows up, sits at our table,
>> and chimes in on the topic of conversation. Everyone knows what he has done.
>> Now let's say your advice is followed, no one even mentions the theft,
>> including you. We are all cheery and so on. You pass him the salt when asked
>> for it, with a smile. Is this kind of bizzarro world what you expect this
>> list to become?
>
> I didn't smile, welcome, or pass salt to LoS.  I did not even respond
> to his direct comments in my thread about the XP-50, and I don't think
> anyone else did either.
>
> What's happening is more like if Bob was at the table, and LoS walked
> up and Bob got up and got in in face and acted like that one drunk guy
> at the bar who's always picking a fight.
>
> The first time, maybe I'd give Bob a pass--having someone steal from
> you sucks, after all, and I get that.
>
> The second time I might pull Bob aside and try to privately suggest he
> find a better way to deal with it.  In fact that is what I did,
> off-list.  He was having none of it, and I let it drop.
>
> By the third time I might ask him in public to find a better way to
> deal with his grievance.
>
> In the real world, if I got up in people's faces every time I was
> angry about some wrong that had been done to me, I'd be in jail.
>
> Everything is not black and white, and the (fairly mild) criticism of
> Bob's behavior is not condoning the thief and passing him salt and
> smiling--that's ridiculous and wrong.
>
>
>
>>One could also see it the following way: every post by a scammer (be it Lab of Sound or not) raises the noise floor. And trying to fix this issue is more >than correct.
>
> I agree with you about the noise floor, but we all know there are
> multiple sources of noise, and none of them help the signal.
>
> I'm all for Bob trying to fix the issue.  Being obnoxious is not the only way.
>
> Here's an idea:  instead of attacking and being "in his face" how
> about one time in every thread where LoS pops up, write a calm "this
> guy has stolen from me, if you want the details, go see my link".
> Obviously LoS isn't going to respond directly to Bob, so there's no
> point in trying to get a reaction--just provide the public service
> announcement so we're all aware.
>
> See, that's not "no one say anything"....it gets the message out and
> doesn't make Bob seem like an obnoxious jerk.  I don't think it does
> anything significant to the noise floor either.
>
> I also think the rest of us can make it clear, without even having to
> talk directly to LoS, that he's not welcome until he can resolve this
> dispute with Bob.  I certainly plan not to respond to anything he
> posts from here out.  Bob alerting any newbies, and the rest of us
> ignoring him seems like a civil AND direct way to fix the issue.  What
> will he have to gain by being here then?
>
>
> But as I write I see Bob has come to his own conclusions on the
> matter.  I'm still sending this, because I won't stand for accusations
> that I'm supporting the thief.  And my suggestion of a different way
> to confront LoS stands as well.  Hopefully we can get back to talking
> about synths now :-).

OK, I see what you have meant before. I agree with your email. But
bear in mind that in the digital world there is no police and no jail,
so we can really only go with with wild west sensibility here. Bob
cannot resolve this matter in a legal "real world" way. This is a huge
difference, don't forget it.

D.