[sdiy] SSM2164 last time buy.... Leave a feedback at AD..

Wed Feb 6 22:05:07 CET 2013

Dear Tim,

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Tim Ressel <timr at circuitabbey.com> wrote:
> I guess I don't understand all of this. You can get 2164s in bulk from Cool Audio for production stuff, and from distributors for smaller quantities. By all accounts they work identically to the AD parts. So what is the issue?

Thanks for your email. Sure, the 2164 is available from Cool Audio for
now, but the whole story of chips getting obsoleted happens over and
over and it's always somewhat of a dramatic situation and there's no
clear way to handle this. There's no organization on the part of our
community. Raising alarm right now is a good time as any.

Would it be a good idea to have a website in which any manufacturer
can report his projected requirement of specific parts that are
getting obsoleted, so that a summary can be built up to give the
manufacturer a single point of contact with bigger numbers?

This could also be a good way to persuade distributors to carry parts
that are hard to obtain.

Pestering suppliers on your own behalf is one way, but if you actually
call them and say "I know people who would buy 10 000 of this" then
you're likely to get positive answers.

Such a database could also be a launchpad for finding parts that could
make a group buy possible.

It's really easy to code something like this, but I don't have a place
where I could host it (any takers?)

On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Dave Manley <dlmanley at sonic.net> wrote:
> Damian,
>
> You can tell me how semi companies *should* operate all day long, but I work for one with over 10K employees and billions in annual revenue, and what I told you is how they *do* operate.  It's called fact based reality.

You're no expert either, unless your title is three letters long and
starts with C.

> Good luck calling the chamber of commerce or some government lackey.
> Small businesses, just like large ones, have to adapt or die.
> Welcome to the socially unconscious, erroneous pathology of the free market.

I'm gobsmacked at such hostility and cynicism towards the possibility
of organizing people together so that they have an easier time working
around difficulties in continuing their business.

If you only tried half as hard to solve issues as you do to make fun
of people who actually want to solve those issues, we'd be swimming in
CEMs by now...

But then you work for a company which might be profiting from that, so
I understand where your mindset comes from. On the other hand you have
no business of your own that you need to take care of, so can't
appreciate the issues; it's really easy to sit around and laugh at
others when you are provided for and have job security that is not
dependent on very real problems that are outside of your control.

D.

> PS this is pretty off topic.  To spare our group further noise, I've said my last word on this subject.  I'm sure you'll insist on writing another epic post, so have at it. Make it a good one!
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>  From: cheater cheater <cheater00 at gmail.com>
>  Sent: Wed, Feb 6, 2013 01:31 AM
>  To: Dave Manley <dlmanley at sonic.net>
>  CC: synth-diy <Synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
>  Subject: Re: [sdiy] SSM2164 last time buy.... Leave a feedback at AD..
>
>>On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Dave Manley <dlmanley at sonic.net> wrote:
>>> People forget the primary purpose of a semi company is not to make chips, but to make money.
>>
>>That's a perfectly shortsighted and socially irresponsible way to view
>>things, luckily enough various societies have put control measures in
>>place to stop people who err into your thought-pattern pathology. I
>>mentioned some of them in the previous email.
>>
>>Here are some examples of where various entities recognize the issue
>>in your train of reasoning:
>>
>>- governments build roads
>>- work places set up buses to get their workers to the factory hall
>>- governments build silos to store milk and processors to create
>>butter (= long-term storage of milk) to support the production
>>industry
>>
>>Given the prolific acceptance of the above, I would say few people in
>>charge get to exercise your views.
>>
>>As a company grows large and its products become more and more
>>important to various industries, with the business it brings in it
>>accepts a responsibility. This is recognized in various ways around
>>the world. In dire cases -- even in free-market economies -- the
>>government can step in and take hold of a company that's doing wrong.
>>Example: bank bailouts.
>>
>>It's very simple to come up with a defeated point of view and call
>>everyone as unwise dreamers who are disconnected from the dire, gray
>>reality, David.
>>
> >From my point of view, with the correct organization there can be
>>quite an impact. For one thing, if all small-time synth and studio
>>equipment builders came together and stated their, however meagre,
>>requirements, then it might well add up to very significant numbers,
>>and ADI would likely listen to that.
>>
>>If the socioeconomic impact of killing business is measured, very
>>likely governments are likely to listen to that.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>D.
>>
>>> People also forget or don't know that each and every chip requires support by product and test engineers, QA, marketing, field support, etc.
>>>
>>> AD isn't stupid.  If the SSM parts presented a viable business model for them,  they'd still be making them.
>>>
>>> I wonder if Jameco would be interested in selling the Cool Audio parts.  They've always had a hobbyist feel to there product line.
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>  From: Neil Johnson <neil.johnson97 at ntlworld.com>
>>>  Sent: Tue, Feb 5, 2013 03:02 AM
>>>  To: cheater cheater <cheater00 at gmail.com>
>>>  CC: synth-diy <Synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
>>>  Subject: Re: [sdiy] SSM2164 last time buy.... Leave a feedback at AD..
>>>
>>>>cheater cheater wrote:
>>>>> Yes, definitely you should contact your congressman. And if any
>>>>> company outside the US is reading this, you should contact your local
>>>>> chamber of commerce or any other government entity that might be able
>>>>> to influence the decisions of the supplier (ADI).
>>>>
>>>>If you want to pester someone then I reckon you'd have better luck
>>>>pestering national distributors to carry the CoolAudio line.
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>--
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