[sdiy] There is no fun analogue chips anymore!

[Eric Wood]

I understand your statements but would NEVER speak that way to those men! Shame on you for being a jerk to the names you have quoted!!!

On Jun 27, 2012, at 8:18 PM, KD KD <pic24hj at gmail.com> wrote:

> And now a "evil whiners" reflection!
> 
>> Tom said:
>> But it isn't true. There's all the THAT Corp stuff; various VCAs and matched transistors.
> Hell yes its true, your just in denial! :)
> 
> Tom says a 4301 compressor chip is fun, after he soldered how many? 200 units?
> And can you build a synth with a compressor chip? if im all your ears!
> CoolAudio 2164
> clone is nice but according to insiders is alive "only" because
> Behringer buys ton's of it!
> We better all call up Uli Berhinger and say thank you and hope he will
> not jump ship?..
> 
>> Hassle THAT, maybe?
> But Tom do point to a interesting issue! Should be considered, i have to ponder,
> previoulsy i do managed to hassle EMU Dave pretty well i recall, he wrote like a
> Gnu who had a crockodile in his pants! (actually he was bored in his office and
> was glad someone popped in asking some interesting questions).
> 
>> Jim says: Heck 3280!!
> 
> Not sure what Jim sugest but i think he meant the situation is so bad
> he would praise
> the lord him self if the 3280 would surface back again and yes that
> would be a blast
> and would defenitively make our day a lot more fun again, perhaps not
> for the chip but
> for what it can "do right" the other oldies don't even come close...
> even trimmed like
> hell! No fiddle in hell just accordions!
> 
>> Paul S says: NE5517?
> 
> Paul S on the other hand seams to sugest to Jim he instead use the NE5517 to his
> througzero VCO core!! I wonder how many of Pauls products really uses the 5517
> he sugest? Im sure ""his" THZ VCO uses a 32 bit ARM instead his customers
> would definitively start "whine" if they got 5517 based one!.. He
> could even face
> Cynthia syndrome!!  (a nuclear rector delivering only voltage and no current).
> 
>> Blachet says:
>> get the NJM13600 from Mouser, 2164 can be bought from Mammoth ,try some
>> of those THAT ICs too!
> 
> Blacet is like a old vinyl record or even stonecake stuck in a loop
> but i thank him for mention
> these 2 old chips and a manufacturer who deals with all in one
> compressors and non temp
> compensated dual ota in SSOP package, i really thank him for mention
> them because it
> really nails down my point about the sorry state of the analog audio
> chip market! I'm sure
> he serached hard and deep to find more then these 3 but finally gave
> up for known reasons!
> 
>> Blacet also say:
>> Quityawhinnin'
> 
> I say to Blacet:
> golickyourgenitals.
> 
>> I Harry (along with my evil-twin Jim) says:
>> There are always other ways to skin a cat (so to speak). Explore and grow :^)
>> but we can still make do with the LM13700 and NE5517 when needed.
> 
> Harry, Jims evil brother, point to an old post about 5517 but misses
> other "old" small talk
> the 5517 is desicribed as having ""serious CV popping" bleedtrough
> which indeed renders
> it for fun stuff rather then VCA's and barely a SVF, the 13700 is
> undoubtedly best. And yes
> my own  findings is that the bleedtrough is seriously bad i simply dont use it.
> 
>> explore alternative designs, including (gasp) discrete.
> But evil brother fails to mention ""what"? and discrete is nono in this
> thread by nature! We are talking "versatile" and likely fun "chips"...
> 
>> Today, we have many components (in SMT) that can be exploited, making
>> possible designs that if  implemented in through-hole would have required
>> a grand piano sized board.
> 
> Wich is kind of smoke screening try to diverge to mounting techniques!
> But for the sake of completeness shoot man and i say give us examples
> of fun SMT chips that we didn't have before? ""many"" is no answer evil
> win brother particularly if they  are all OP amps! :)
> 
> But grand piano size can be cut down by cutting the legs like a Mexican
> narko trafficante do on daily basis to DIP's and mount them SMT!
> Making holes seams kind of  a OLD method and not fun at all these
> days in 32BIT ARM land!
> 
>> I might say (OK I will say) that the era of SSM and CEM chips often
>> resulted in 'me-too' synth designs that offered little change in sonic
>> palette and only superficial differences in user interface. Look alike
>> sound alike...
> 
> I newer said anything about CEM or SSM but noone here would deny
> not buying the P381/382 if it where available on the open market?
> 
> Now the other side of the weed:
> 
> Veronica noticed a fun thing about old chips:
> 
>> Whilst the 741 is not a CA3080 replacement, has anyone tried using the
>> two offset null pins (1 and 5) for gain control?
> 
> This i also noticed some many moon turns ago and can say there is more then
> just the 741! Actually im going to test one of these old beasts to see if some
> fun comes out of it, probably smoke but that's fun to!
> 
>> Owe says. FET!
> Ove do have some valid points to the issue of fun if there been any
> improvement to
> FET's lately?A improved N or P FET with absolute and linear Vgs would make a
> lot of fun not even being a chip! It would literately be a blast!
> 
> The whiner so condludes!
> 
> What i meant by fun chips if anyone care is chips that do something more besides
> regular one onsie-twosie function, not combo VCF VCA albeit neat to have besides
> i could mention a couple interesting new chips that clearly can have
> use for a boutique
> manufacturer but i think i wait since some of you old folks do sound
> like old sovjet
> citizens being deadly afraid even to hear there is something fairly
> new other then good
> old sovjetism!
> 
> Cheers!
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