[sdiy] FW: ebay internal shill bidding?

Wed Jan 5 14:55:46 CET 2011

doing the same, just one final bit using an ebay sniper freeware to keep my machine and ebay in sync...

cheers,
matthias
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: synth-diy-bounces at dropmix.xs4all.nl [mailto:synth-diy-
> bounces at dropmix.xs4all.nl] On Behalf Of Amos
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:42 PM
> To: Paul Burns; synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl
> Subject: Re: [sdiy] ebay internal shill bidding?
> 
> I do the same as Paul, with the addition of a low-money "courtesy bid"
> at the beginning of the auction, just to throw my proverbial hat into
> the ring.  I then wait until the absolute last possible nanosecond
> before placing my real bid.  I feel like if I bid when there's more
> than 3-5 seconds remaining, I'm taking an extravagant risk.
> 
> - Amos (proverbial haberdasher)...
> 
> On 1/5/11, Paul Burns <paul at fitvideo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi
> > For what it is worth
> > You would not see me on a bid list, as I always have and will predate
> right
> > at the last second ... that is the only time I bid ...so I behave
> like a bot
> > ...
> > My reasoning is I have already decided what I am prepared to pay, so
> why get
> > in a price war two weeks before the end .. it is like showing your
> cards in
> > a game of poker...
> > Besides, there is a certain schadenfreude involved in snaffling
> something
> > right at the death...it gives a certain inner glow ...
> >
> > Lol
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Paul Burns
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: synth-diy-bounces at dropmix.xs4all.nl
> > [mailto:synth-diy-bounces at dropmix.xs4all.nl] On Behalf Of Bob Weigel
> > Sent: 05 January 2011 11:09
> > To: Barry Klein; synthdiy
> > Subject: Re: [sdiy] ebay internal shill bidding?
> >
> > On 1/5/2011 12:34 AM, Barry Klein wrote:
> >> Good example!
> >> Man I feel stupid trying to make sense of it.
> >> What is happening at the end there where a**y's bid jumps from
> 416.01
> >> to 440
> >> at the same time interval?
> >> This is one of ebay's best opportunities for improvement:
> >> present bid history so it is easier to understand for dummies like
> me.
> >>
> >> Barry
> >>
> >
> > Lol. Yeah I think they blanked out the actual names so that they
> could
> > pull this stunt. I had a funny feeling about it when they did it.  I
> > hadn't heard of any bad interactions...most of those happen between
> > buyers and sellers of course when one doesn't do what they're
> supposed
> > to.   There used to be communication between people in the ebay
> > community.  They totally killed that pretty much.
> >
> > Here's a possible scenario though Barry.  Let's draw it out on a time
> line
> >
> > Tuesday let's say... 12:00 pm
> >
> > John whoever bids 22.00 on an item that was previously at 11.00.
> > The bidding increment for the auction, let's say, is 1.00 for
> > simplicity.  I'm not sure of late how they do that.  It used to be
> they
> > had different increments for different auction values or something.
> I
> > can't recall.
> >
> > But anyway so at 12:00 pm therefore the auction now reads 12.00
> because
> > it has to show at least 1.00 over the previous bid.  And that is what
> > John will win it for if nobody else bids.
> >
> > But Cecil follows at 12:15 and posts a 15.00 bid.
> > IMMEDIATELY it tells Cecil he has been outbid and he now must enter
> more
> > than 16.00 in order to hope to win this auction since John had 22.00
> > waiting to dump on it already in the cue.  And ebay 'proxy bids' for
> him
> > from that point on...until it's over 22.00
> >
> > Ok the auction is ending at 12:16 let's say.  Cecil scratches his
> head
> > and ...while knowing he can get a similar spatula at spatula city for
> > only 12.99... has basic human territorial behavior.  And he decides
> John
> > has no right to this because it's HIS spatula in his way of thinking.
> > IT's just a matter of PRINCIPLE now.  There is no money limit.   So
> > Cecil manages to slam down another bit at 12:15:49 of 22.00 but...he
> > receives a disappointing note that he must enter another bid because
> > John's ceiling happened to be 22.00 and since John already had that
> as
> > his bid, Cecil can't win with the same bid since John was first.
> >
> > While cecil is frantically trying to figure how to up his bid 5 bucks
> in
> > 10 seconds... HORATIO who knew the tendencies of humans to have
> > territorial behavior had cleverly held his bid to the end.
> > Unfortunately he didn't know that he could get this spatula at
> spatula
> > city for much less and he had put 25.50 on cue to be dropped at 8
> > seconds before the end of auction.  SAM though also unaware of those
> > great deals at spatula city put down 26.00!  Sam's snipe, however,
> > didn't land on ebay until 5 seconds before the end.
> >
> > So because sam wasn't more than 1.00 over (the bidding increment)
> > Horatio's previous amount, Horatio wins and Sam is left with a
> message
> > telling him he must up his bid which is impossible of course in a few
> > seconds.
> >
> > -Bob
> >
> >
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