[sdiy] the list, the new machine, etc

[cheater cheater]

Graham,
I noticed that some email on the list occasionally is marked as spam.
My sdiy filter in gmail has a special setting to never send stuff to
spam.

D.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 22:49, Graham Atkins <gatkins at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> It turns out that Virgin Media, my ISP, moved their mail over to Google
> at around the time that the new server came online. My missing email
> had been sent to the Spam bin !! Thanks Google.
>
> Thanks for all the help.
>
> Graham
>
> On 22 Mar 2010, at 21:04, rick wrote:
>
>> The archive works again, sorry for messages lost.
>>
>> I have mailed back Graham Atkins, but I think he does not receive direct
>> mail from me either, nor do I get it back, so I suspect a spam filter.
>>
>> rick
>>
>>
>> On 22/3/10 14:21, Ben Lincoln wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW, I'm getting the messages in the correct order and without any more
>>> delay than prior to the change.
>>>
>>> I know that Graham Atkins checked with his ISP and they claimed this
>>> wasn't the case, but a lot of the behaviour sounds like what I'd expect
>>> from a misbehaving spam filter. E.g. in the case of not seeing your own
>>> messages until someone else has replied, I could see a filter assuming
>>> that if a message came from a return address purporting to be its own
>>> domain, but sent through a mail system on another domain, then it must
>>> be spam due to the forged From: address.
>>>
>>> In the case of messages coming in out of order, could that not be due to
>>> something like "greylisting", where the recipient's mail server refuses
>>> the first n connection attempts by untrusted sending systems? When the
>>> connection attempt was finally allowed, I could see the sending system
>>> pushing through the newest messages, then checking its queue to see if
>>> anything else was pending and then sending that too.
>>>
>>> A *lot* of the larger email providers (Google, etc.) seem to have
>>> stepped up their filtering of mail from small(er) domains as well. If I
>>> send an email to friends with GMail accounts and it includes a link,
>>> there's a reasonable chance it will end up in their spam bins.
>>>
>>> Anyway, just a guess - but since I make sure there is no ISP-side filter
>>> in front of this account *and* I get the messages correctly, that's
>>> where I'd put my money.
>>>
>>> - Ben
>>>
>>> cheater cheater wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nicolas,
>>>> Thanks, this is very important indeed. Let's see if Rick can come up
>>>> with something.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't noticed the message delay you mention, but of course that
>>>> doesn't mean it does not exist. Do you only notice this with reply
>>>> messages, or does this happen with first-posts as well? Maybe the
>>>> difference in arrival time comes from people clicking 'reply all' and
>>>> sending the reply to the list AS WELL as to you directly.
>>>>
>>>> On a related note, if I send something to the list it doesn't show up
>>>> in my inbox until when someone else has replied to the thread (I even
>>>> replied to my first-posts sometimes and it didn't make it come back to
>>>> me). It was like that before the move though; but maybe it could be
>>>> changed? It's a bit troublesome to trawl through the outbox for
>>>> reference to something I've sent to this list.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> D.
>>>>
>>>>
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