[sdiy] the list, the new machine, etc

[Graham Atkins]

It turns out that Virgin Media, my ISP, moved their mail over to Google
at around the time that the new server came online. My missing email
had been sent to the Spam bin !! Thanks Google.

Thanks for all the help.

Graham

On 22 Mar 2010, at 21:04, rick wrote:

> The archive works again, sorry for messages lost.
>
> I have mailed back Graham Atkins, but I think he does not receive  
> direct
> mail from me either, nor do I get it back, so I suspect a spam filter.
>
> rick
>
>
> On 22/3/10 14:21, Ben Lincoln wrote:
>> FWIW, I'm getting the messages in the correct order and without any  
>> more
>> delay than prior to the change.
>>
>> I know that Graham Atkins checked with his ISP and they claimed this
>> wasn't the case, but a lot of the behaviour sounds like what I'd  
>> expect
>> from a misbehaving spam filter. E.g. in the case of not seeing your  
>> own
>> messages until someone else has replied, I could see a filter  
>> assuming
>> that if a message came from a return address purporting to be its own
>> domain, but sent through a mail system on another domain, then it  
>> must
>> be spam due to the forged From: address.
>>
>> In the case of messages coming in out of order, could that not be  
>> due to
>> something like "greylisting", where the recipient's mail server  
>> refuses
>> the first n connection attempts by untrusted sending systems? When  
>> the
>> connection attempt was finally allowed, I could see the sending  
>> system
>> pushing through the newest messages, then checking its queue to see  
>> if
>> anything else was pending and then sending that too.
>>
>> A *lot* of the larger email providers (Google, etc.) seem to have
>> stepped up their filtering of mail from small(er) domains as well.  
>> If I
>> send an email to friends with GMail accounts and it includes a link,
>> there's a reasonable chance it will end up in their spam bins.
>>
>> Anyway, just a guess - but since I make sure there is no ISP-side  
>> filter
>> in front of this account *and* I get the messages correctly, that's
>> where I'd put my money.
>>
>> - Ben
>>
>> cheater cheater wrote:
>>> Nicolas,
>>> Thanks, this is very important indeed. Let's see if Rick can come up
>>> with something.
>>>
>>> I haven't noticed the message delay you mention, but of course that
>>> doesn't mean it does not exist. Do you only notice this with reply
>>> messages, or does this happen with first-posts as well? Maybe the
>>> difference in arrival time comes from people clicking 'reply all'  
>>> and
>>> sending the reply to the list AS WELL as to you directly.
>>>
>>> On a related note, if I send something to the list it doesn't show  
>>> up
>>> in my inbox until when someone else has replied to the thread (I  
>>> even
>>> replied to my first-posts sometimes and it didn't make it come  
>>> back to
>>> me). It was like that before the move though; but maybe it could be
>>> changed? It's a bit troublesome to trawl through the outbox for
>>> reference to something I've sent to this list.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> D.
>>>
>>>
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