[sdiy] the list, the new machine, etc

[Ben Lincoln]

Actually, scratch my comment about the delay - I got this one within a 
minute of sending it, which is considerably faster than before Rick 
swapped out servers.

- Ben

Ben Lincoln wrote:
> FWIW, I'm getting the messages in the correct order and without any 
> more delay than prior to the change.
>
> I know that Graham Atkins checked with his ISP and they claimed this 
> wasn't the case, but a lot of the behaviour sounds like what I'd 
> expect from a misbehaving spam filter. E.g. in the case of not seeing 
> your own messages until someone else has replied, I could see a filter 
> assuming that if a message came from a return address purporting to be 
> its own domain, but sent through a mail system on another domain, then 
> it must be spam due to the forged From: address.
>
> In the case of messages coming in out of order, could that not be due 
> to something like "greylisting", where the recipient's mail server 
> refuses the first n connection attempts by untrusted sending systems? 
> When the connection attempt was finally allowed, I could see the 
> sending system pushing through the newest messages, then checking its 
> queue to see if anything else was pending and then sending that too.
>
> A *lot* of the larger email providers (Google, etc.) seem to have 
> stepped up their filtering of mail from small(er) domains as well. If 
> I send an email to friends with GMail accounts and it includes a link, 
> there's a reasonable chance it will end up in their spam bins.
>
> Anyway, just a guess - but since I make sure there is no ISP-side 
> filter in front of this account *and* I get the messages correctly, 
> that's where I'd put my money.
>
> - Ben
>
> cheater cheater wrote:
>> Nicolas,
>> Thanks, this is very important indeed. Let's see if Rick can come up
>> with something.
>>
>> I haven't noticed the message delay you mention, but of course that
>> doesn't mean it does not exist. Do you only notice this with reply
>> messages, or does this happen with first-posts as well? Maybe the
>> difference in arrival time comes from people clicking 'reply all' and
>> sending the reply to the list AS WELL as to you directly.
>>
>> On a related note, if I send something to the list it doesn't show up
>> in my inbox until when someone else has replied to the thread (I even
>> replied to my first-posts sometimes and it didn't make it come back to
>> me). It was like that before the move though; but maybe it could be
>> changed? It's a bit troublesome to trawl through the outbox for
>> reference to something I've sent to this list.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> D.
>>
>>   
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