[sdiy] the list, the new machine, etc

[Ben Lincoln]

FWIW, I'm getting the messages in the correct order and without any more 
delay than prior to the change.

I know that Graham Atkins checked with his ISP and they claimed this 
wasn't the case, but a lot of the behaviour sounds like what I'd expect 
from a misbehaving spam filter. E.g. in the case of not seeing your own 
messages until someone else has replied, I could see a filter assuming 
that if a message came from a return address purporting to be its own 
domain, but sent through a mail system on another domain, then it must 
be spam due to the forged From: address.

In the case of messages coming in out of order, could that not be due to 
something like "greylisting", where the recipient's mail server refuses 
the first n connection attempts by untrusted sending systems? When the 
connection attempt was finally allowed, I could see the sending system 
pushing through the newest messages, then checking its queue to see if 
anything else was pending and then sending that too.

A *lot* of the larger email providers (Google, etc.) seem to have 
stepped up their filtering of mail from small(er) domains as well. If I 
send an email to friends with GMail accounts and it includes a link, 
there's a reasonable chance it will end up in their spam bins.

Anyway, just a guess - but since I make sure there is no ISP-side filter 
in front of this account *and* I get the messages correctly, that's 
where I'd put my money.

- Ben

cheater cheater wrote:
> Nicolas,
> Thanks, this is very important indeed. Let's see if Rick can come up
> with something.
>
> I haven't noticed the message delay you mention, but of course that
> doesn't mean it does not exist. Do you only notice this with reply
> messages, or does this happen with first-posts as well? Maybe the
> difference in arrival time comes from people clicking 'reply all' and
> sending the reply to the list AS WELL as to you directly.
>
> On a related note, if I send something to the list it doesn't show up
> in my inbox until when someone else has replied to the thread (I even
> replied to my first-posts sometimes and it didn't make it come back to
> me). It was like that before the move though; but maybe it could be
> changed? It's a bit troublesome to trawl through the outbox for
> reference to something I've sent to this list.
>
> Thanks
>
> D.
>
>