Temperature-compensated resonance ( was Re: [sdiy] RE: [AH]

[Neil Johnson]

Hi,

Sorry for top-posting, but I noticed the "[AH]" in the subject line -  
is this thread an example of the usual baloneus waffling that you get  
on Analogue Heaven?  If so, please can it stay there?

Thanks,
Neil


On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:22, cheater cheater wrote:

> People have hardwired the first computers in order to avoid the tabs
> vs spaces debate.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 21:40, David G. Dixon  
> <dixon at interchange.ubc.ca> wrote:
>> Cheater, do you have a specific point to make, or are you simply  
>> arguing for
>> the sake of arguing?
>
> There are several points I hoped to have made here; ones that are very
> close to my heart and I find them quite important.
>
> One of them is what Olav brings up: that it is often very worthwhile
> to challenge 'no one will ever want to', instead of locking yourself
> in a box in which you cannot grow. I couldn't have said that better
> than Olav.
>
> The second point I was hoping to bring up is that the conversations
> here are of different nature than when people are trying to come up
> with a production-ripe product they can sell to real-life clients. It
> is worth to ask questions about what the perfect filter, vco, eq,
> exponential converter, ... would be like.
>
> Another point is that simply rebuking someone's thesis based on your
> personal 'twist' on the truth is not the way to lead a conversation
> about technology and solutions thereto. Ages past, logic used to be
> taught to children as part of 'trivium' from which the word 'trivial',
> meaning basic, comes. Logic was so basic. It is not taught in schools
> anymore and it is quite apparent that it is lacking. As long as we
> have this sort of deficiencies in basic thinking (don't take me wrong,
> I'm not calling anyone stupid, but this is really basic) - then I will
> feel compelled to get back to basics and point out the things
> essential to effective communication and exchange of ideas between
> people who are after all thinkers and should be valuing quality of
> thought.
>
>> I've been following this thread, trying to glean
>> something useful out of it which might help me build better  
>> synthesizers,
>> but so far I'm coming up empty.
>
> Imagine someone would come in here saying that resistors are a special
> type of capacitor ... you would probably feel compelled to straighten
> them up. This would not make for a conversation especially informative
> to most of us; it would not let most of us know how it might help us
> build better synthesizers. But it would be important.
>
>> Yes, we're all fairly certain that Cary has
>> not taken the time to finish that double-blind statistical study  
>> on the
>> preferences of audio recording engineers to temperature- 
>> compensated Q (for
>> shame, Cary, for shame!).
>
> Then if he did not - why make statements that require this sort of
> knowledge? One side to the quality of knowledge contained in a
> bulletin, publication, forum or mailing list is what is said. It is
> very helpful when true, informative points are made. Another side is
> what is *not* said. If an opinion, which is not true (and here I am
> abstracting from Cary or anyone else) is stated on a forum of
> discussion, and nobody even mentions it might be wrong, then it is
> customarily accepted as not untrue; which is detrimental to the
> quality of conversation. Without 'straigtening out' problems we see in
> our partners of conversation, we allow ourselves to be victims of
> indifference, and allow the quality of conversation to drift down
> rather than rise. It is below certain standards to accept certain
> kinds of argumentation; it is important to make this point; I'm sure
> you keep the same kind of discipline in your lecture hall when someone
> comes up with bogus statements about material sciences.
>
>> Why are we supposed to care again?
>
> Because without this sort of discipline we are, for one thing, losing
> the spirit of diy, which is to try new things, rather than getting
> packed into the bag of 'it doesn't matter'. If you are happy with 'it
> doesn't matter', then why did you pursue your exponential converter
> questions? After all, the exponential converter 'doesn't matter'.. :-)
>
> D.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 21:13, Olav Martin Kvern  
> <okvern at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Colleagues--
>>
>> This is the sort of question that quickly turns into a "religious"
>> argument--like most engineering design questions. I've seen mature,
>> intelligent people become physically violent over differing  
>> opinions on
>> correct code indentation--let's try to avoid that!
>>
>> In software engineering over the last thirty+ years, I've run into  
>> a lot of
>> limiting design decisions based on questions that start with "Why  
>> would
>> anyone want to <fill in the blank>?" Why would anyone want to use  
>> this
>> program after the year 1999? Use more than 8 bits to define a  
>> character? Use
>> a color space other than RGB? Open multiple documents at once?
>>
>> You get the idea. Whenever you hear "No one will ever want to..."  
>> or "Why
>> would anyone...", it's a good idea to question the assumption.
>>
>> At the same time, making *no* assumptions about the way a product  
>> will be
>> used can lead to a big problem: the product never ships.
>>
>> You all already know this, but: The point is to reach a reasonable
>> balance--neither making overly-limiting assumptions (like the ones  
>> listed
>> above), nor spending forever trying to create a design that  
>> accounts for
>> every possibility. In addition, the issues that tip the balance  
>> one way or
>> another depends on the audience and the intended use (defined as  
>> broadly as
>> possible) of the product.
>>
>> Mr. Wiltshire has already created some of the most interesting DIY  
>> projects
>> around--I look forward to seeing how he solves the design dilemma.:-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ole
>>
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