[sdiy] Re: Limits of perception...

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On 2/22/10 11:54 AM, "Tom Wiltshire" <tom at electricdruid.net> wrote:

> 
> On 22 Feb 2010, at 18:01, Nick Zampiello wrote:
>>  do you think you can't tell the difference between 16 and 24 bit
>> ( for audio)?
>> do you think 44.1k sounds just like 48k?  96k?
> 
> I don't know, but I'm damn sure that there comes a point when you
> *can't* tell. And that's what I'm getting at - above a certain limit,
> extra 'quality' is well beyond what human beings can perceive.
> My original contention was that that point is actually much sooner
> than most people think. Increasingly, I think digital technology is
> arriving at that point.
> 
>>> it seems to me that the 'perception' answer is all about what
>> people are
>>> tuned in to mentally.
> 
> I disagree. You can be as tuned in as you like, but you still can't
> hear 100KHz. I agree that *exactly* where the limit lies might depend
> in some degree to how tuned in you are (ear training, genetic luck,
> etc) but that's a debate over 20Khz vs 25. There's a clear limit
> whether we're talking about pitch perception, bit depth, convertor
> accuracy, whatever. Human beings vary, so individual results vary,
> but that's science, and it doesn't stop there being a scientific fact
> about what the limits are.
> 
> Like Greg said, if it rocks you, it works.
> 
> Ok, I promise I'll shut up now.
> 
> T.
> 
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Hi Folks,

You should read Dr. Diana Deutch's papers on Perception and such. I met her
years ago at the CARL Research center at UC San Diego. I think she still
teaches at UC SD. http://www.philomel.com/ and http://deutsch.ucsd.edu/ and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Deutsch.

CARL Research http://crca.ucsd.edu/cmusic/ We implemented this software at
E-Mu and it was used extensively for Drumulator, Emulator II and DigiDrums
projects,

Regards,

Terry