[sdiy] new list: synth_diy @yahoo

[cheater cheater]

Who you callin a loset?

8P

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 16:50, Harry Bissell <harrybissell at wowway.com> wrote:
> The s-diy list (as-is) is the best option imho. I just kill-filter those
> I don't want to hear about.
>
> Yahoo groups are a total loset imho...
>
> H^) harry
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cheater cheater <cheater00 at gmail.com>
> To: John Alex Hvidlykke <john at hvidlykke.dk>
> Cc: synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl
> Sent: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:52:31 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: [sdiy] new list: synth_diy @yahoo
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 15:19, John Alex Hvidlykke <john at hvidlykke.dk> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I agree that it would be a pity to abandon ship for one bad behaving troll.
>> He should go - not us!
>>
>> But I *do* have to disagree on the faults and downfalls of Yahoo's groups.
>> It is all a matter of a few clicks to get things working smoothly and, if
>> wanted, just the way they are here.
>>
>>
>> This is how it often works:
>>
>> 1. Moderation of each message is not needed (though I do use it on some of
>> my own, less traffic-intensive groups). Each troll or spammer will only get
>> *one* chance to pollute the athmosphere, before being booted out.
>
> That's the same way it works now.
>
> There is no difference.
>
> The fact that Rick is not responding within 5 milliseconds does not
> mean anything.
>
> Jason will have episodes of unresponsiveness too.
>
>> 2. The moderators could choose to let new members start up being moderated.
>> After a few well-behaved posts, the moderation can be lifted. Rule number
>> one still applies.
>
> Same thing we have with pipermail already.
>
>> 3. No moderator should be alone. At leat a handfull of deputees would be
>> needed for a group of this size. That would also negate the problem of the
>> owner leaving the group alone.
>
> This functionality is in pipermail already.
>
>> 4. Advertising is not a problem if you receive the postings in plain text
>> format mails, just like on this list.
>
> the pipermail archives don't have ads. The yahoo archives do. Yahoo loses here.
>
> So, I don't see any improvement in moving to yahoo.
>
> There are multiple downfalls of moving to yahoo though:
>
> - lots of people will be lost in the move.
> - yahoo is borg.
> - yahoo might do what ever they want with our email addresses.
> - yahoo might shut down our list and we can't do anything, because
> legally it's owned by yahoo.
> - yahoo might be taken over by someone, and could shut down lists
> altogether. The management of yahoo hasn't been too great the last few
> years, a takeover is looming.
> - yahoo are not your friendly moderator. If someone loses control of
> the list, e.g. by losing a password, the list can end up out of our
> hands forever. Sure, there are safeguard mechanisms against this, but
> this option still exists. With pipermail you just need physical access
> to the server.
> - yahoo owns our posts. I would rather that yahoo did not own my posts.
> - who knows what stupid crap yahoo will come up with in the future.
> pipermail won't change, unless we want it to.
>
>
> D.
>
>>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>>> Fra: synth-diy-bounces at dropmix.xs4all.nl
>>> [mailto:synth-diy-bounces at dropmix.xs4all.nl]På vegne af Scott
>>> Gravenhorst
>>> Sendt: 19. februar 2010 13:18
>>> Til: synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl
>>> Emne: Re: [sdiy] new list: synth_diy @yahoo
>>>
>>>
>>> I will not use Yahoo groups.
>>>
>>> I've been on them, the advertising is an eye sore.
>>>
>>> Yahoo groups also attract trolls and spammers, so unless each and
>>> every message
>>> has to be approved by a moderator, they get in and drop their turds in the
>>> punchbowl.  And if every message is moderated, it can become a
>>> reasonably large
>>> task - which will exhaust the moderator who will eventually relax
>>> the rules -
>>> and then the trolls can get in again.
>>>
>>> I believe that the best solution is to ignore the troll.
>>>
>>> I might consider another list if this were a chronic problem, but
>>> in reality,
>>> it is rather rare.
>>>
>>> -- ScottG
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