[sdiy] Juno 106 stuck notes

[Bob Weigel]

This data should be on my website so other's suffering can see the 
solution since there are 70,000 of these made or whatever. -Bob

Gil W. wrote:

>Thanks buddies !
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>Yes, I think the A33 sends CC0 and CC32 with every message.
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>I planned placing a midi filter between the A33 and 106 so only Program Changes are sent to it, but haven't managed to get any yet.
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>I'll record the midi messages and A33 sends and send it here.
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>--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Dave Kendall <davekendall at ntlworld.com> wrote:
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>>From: Dave Kendall <davekendall at ntlworld.com>
>>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Juno 106 stuck notes
>>To: "Gil W." <gil_we at yahoo.com>
>>Cc: "Synth DIY" <synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
>>Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 2:03 AM
>>Hi Gil.
>>
>>A shot in the dark here..... Does the A33 send bank change
>>commands 
>>(MIDI CC0 and/or CC32) along with PGM changes ?
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>>The 106 was an early MIDI instrument, and perhaps cannot
>>handle those 
>>bank change messages, which IIRC, were introduced a while
>>after MIDI 
>>had been widely adopted.
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>>If you have a MIDI EVENT LIST viewer to hand in your
>>sequencer, record 
>>a PGM change from the A33 into it, and have a look and see
>>exactly what 
>>MIDI messages are being sent from the A33 on PGM change.
>>There might be 
>>all sorts of things in there that *may* confuse the old
>>106......
>>
>>hope this helps...
>>
>>cheers,
>>Dave
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>>On Sep 26, 2009, at 23:20, Gil W. wrote:
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>>>This is strange.
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>>>I had the 106 powered ON for a couple of days - no
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>>issues.
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>>>I connected the MIDI OUT of my sound card to the 106
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>>MIDI IN,
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>>>played notes and changed presets via MIDI - it works
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>>perfectly,
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>>>no notes hanging, or changing spontaneously...
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>>>Could it be that the A33 sends junk data to the 106 at
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>>some point 
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>>>during the shows ? I couldn't find any consistency
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>>when this happens 
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>>>(i.e it can happen just about with any preset)...?
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>>>Can the A33 sends "all notes off" for each preset,
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>>when switching to 
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>>>it  ?
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>>>--- On Wed, 9/23/09, db <dbarton at pacbell.net>
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>>wrote:
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>>>>From: db <dbarton at pacbell.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Juno 106 stuck notes
>>>>To: "Gil W." <gil_we at yahoo.com>
>>>>Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 4:12 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Is there any chance the release slider is
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>>defective and you
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>>>>are getting long release rather than an actual 
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>>stuck
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>>>>note?
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>>>>At 9/22/2009 01:39 AM, you wrote:
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>>>>>My Juno 106 is giving me some issues lately. I
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>>already
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>>>>replaced all 80017A's with clones and generally it
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>>works
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>>>>very well and quite reliable except for one
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>>problem which
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>>>>I'll describe -
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>>>>>The 106 is getting MIDI IN from my Roland A33
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>>>>controller, sent to it via MIDI OUT #2 (OUT #1 is
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>>going into
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>>>>my JV2080). This way I can send notes and preset
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>>changes to
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>>>>the JV2080, and preset changes to the 106. So the
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>>106
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>>>>doesn't receive motes on/off, once I switch a
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>>preset on the
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>>>>A33, I click the MIDI OUTPUT SELECT #2 to OFF, so
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>>it doesn't
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>>>>send MIDI to the 106 anymore.
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>>>>>I don't know if the problem has anything to do
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>>with
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>>>>the specific set-up, or MIDI in general, but after
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>>playing
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>>>>about 15 songs (or an hour), when I switch to a
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>>preset and
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>>>>play, I would hear the notes continuously, meaning
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>>they get
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>>>>stuck. It will sometimes get back to normal
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>>operation when I
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>>>>would switch the presets manually on the 106....
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>>>>>This really giving me bad times on live shows
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>>so I
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>>>>must get it fixed somehow....
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>>>>>Any idea what could cause this and how can
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>>this be
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>>>>sorted out ?
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>>>>>Thanks all !!
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