[sdiy] Info on using vactrols with exemption in EU from metasonix

[BrightBoy]

They are the same police.  The chemicals/materials inside vactrols are not 
ROHS approved except for possibly military applications.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
>From: cheater cheater <cheater00 at gmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 16, 2009 4:09 PM
>To: synth-diy <synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl>
>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Info on using vactrols with exemption in EU from metasonix
>
>Yep, but what i really mean is: how is the vactrol-police related to
>the rohs police?
>
>isn't rohs a separate directive from the 'vactrol ban'?
>
>not clear on that one..
>
>Thanks
>D.
>
>On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ben Stuyts <ben at stuyts.nl> wrote:
>> Hi D.,
>>
>> On 16 sep 2009, at 09:46, cheater cheater wrote:
>>
>>> I think it's very relevant to ask you how all this relates to the
>>> vactrol police.
>>
>> It's just background info. I thought I'd inject some info from the
>> rulebooks, but obviously anyone can decide for themselves what to do with
>> it.
>>
>> The relevance for now: until december 2009, no problems with Vactrols for
>> pro audio applications. After that: lets hope for an extension.
>>
>> Oh, btw, this is a good site to keep an eye on these extensions:
>> http://www.rohs.gov.uk/
>>
>> The exemption for the Vactrols is described here:
>> http://www.rohs.gov.uk/Docs/Exemptions%20without%20link%20backs/RoHS%20Exemptions%20-%20Cadmium%20(2).pdf
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> D.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Ben Stuyts <ben at stuyts.nl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dan,
>>>>
>>>> With all respect to Eric, but this is just plain silly. I've been through
>>>> this route for non-musical instruments related equipment, so I will
>>>> comment
>>>> below from this experience:
>>>>
>>>> On 15 sep 2009, at 17:16, Dan Snazelle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are being misinformed by a lot of fools.
>>>>
>>>> Hum...
>>>>
>>>>> If you need the exemption, you take it yourself,
>>>>
>>>> This is true. No need to apply for it somewhere. A lot of the ROHS, WEEE
>>>> and
>>>> even the whole CE declaration can be based on your own declaration of
>>>> conformity. Just be ready to back it up. There's a lot of due diligence
>>>> involved.
>>>>
>>>>> and include a
>>>>> preprinted ROHS certificate in every package sent to Europe. Just claim
>>>>> that your products are "meant to expand the capacity of and/or upgrade"
>>>>> older equipment, since your products are for use as additions to a
>>>>> "professional recording studio", which qualifies them as "upgrades".
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the exemption I take :
>>>>>
>>>>> "METASONIX takes the exemption provided in Section 7 of the Annex of the
>>>>> European Union’s Restriction on the Use of Hazardous Substances in
>>>>> Electrical and Electronic Equipment (“RoHS”) Directive, 2002/95/EC:
>>>>>
>>>>> --replacement components that expand the capacity of and/or upgrade of
>>>>> EEE placed on the market before 1 July 2006.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Lead in glass of cathode ray tubes, electronic components and
>>>>> fluorescent tubes."
>>>>
>>>> The directive states:
>>>>
>>>> "The RoHS Regulations do not apply: ... To spare parts for the repair of
>>>> EEE
>>>> (Electrical and Electronic Equipment) that was placed on the market
>>>> before 1
>>>> July 2006. It should be noted that, following discussions in the TAC, the
>>>> European Commission and Member States have agreed that this exemption
>>>> extends to parts that expand the capacity of and/or upgrade EEE placed on
>>>> the market before that date provided the EEE concerned is not put on the
>>>> market as a new product."
>>>>
>>>> This is what I mentioned in one of my previous emails. You can use it for
>>>> spare parts, etc. Ok, so Eric has a very wide interpretation of all this.
>>>> If
>>>> we follow his logic, this means that I could manufacture a bunch a
>>>> loudspeakers full of lead, cadmium and all the other good stuff, as this
>>>> qualifies as an upgrade to the other equipment in a living room. (As long
>>>> as
>>>> all the other equipment is from before 2006.)
>>>>
>>>>> Given the small quantities you are making, you DO NOT have to worry
>>>>> about ROHS. It was intended to keep consumer products containing lead
>>>>> and cadmium out of the waste stream, and IS NOT intended to control
>>>>> sales or shipments of specialized, low-production music equipment. The
>>>>> ROHS law is full of long lists of exemptions for things like military
>>>>> electronics, commercial communications equipment, and many other
>>>>> specialist products. There are several more you could probably take,
>>>>> besides the ones I use.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still using lead solder, as well as plenty of Vactrols, and have
>>>>> never had the slightest problem shipping to Europe--and btw, I think
>>>>> Analogue Systems is also taking the same exemption, and still uses lead
>>>>> solder. Lead-free solder has a lot of disadvantages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Feel free to post this to DIY or elsewhere. And stop worrying.
>>>>
>>>> The directives are easily googled. No need to ask biased manufacturers
>>>> who
>>>> need to keep their sales of non-ROHS compliant equipment going. (Again,
>>>> with
>>>> all respect for the Metasonix equipment, just not agreeing with the ROHS
>>>> pov.)
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>
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