[sdiy] Random Tone Generator redux

Dan Snazelle subjectivity at hotmail.com
Wed Mar 25 20:07:12 CET 2009 


well i like your attitude!

hell with my backlog (due to the baby) i dont know which i would get done quicker!
most likely i will be buying a few from you


OH i forgot to put in recommendations though


let me do that before you finish

ok...i always thought these were really powerful circuits
especially when combined with other things

as a pcb they would be really useful as pesudo random gens


but i would hate to get a pcb that is only good for taking an out from One place in the circuit

there are many other fine places in the device to take out gates, cv etc

so just make sure to have some pads at different points along the way...PLEASE

they dont even have to be well marked

thanks



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> From: taciturn_unquiet at hotmail.com
> To: synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl
> Subject: RE: [sdiy] Random Tone Generator redux
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:40:27 -0500
>
>
> Damn you and your speedy response Dan!
>
> I can do real schematics of both of those and post them as well.
>
> As for PCBs... I'm going to do a press&peel of my project for my own futzing to make sure the thing works, but I would probably send out teh design and get real PCBs made... Yellow mask... Black silkscreen... f(form) logo
>
> In the spirit of SDIY I'll post the top and bottom traces and silkscreen of the board once I make my own. So you can make your own board or get one from me as you choose.
>
> -Ian
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: subjectivity at hotmail.com
>> To: lightburnx at yahoo.com; synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl
>> Subject: RE: [sdiy] Random Tone Generator redux
>> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:02:45 +0000
>> CC:
>>
>>
>>
>> here is the link to the MIT design
>>
>>
>> http://www.media.mit.edu/physics/pedagogy/fab/electronics/assignment.html
>>
>> there is a link toward the bottom to an older one as well
>>
>> i recorded samples of both at SOME point last year
>>
>>
>> very cool
>>
>> but real schematics of both would be great!! or pcbs even better!!!
>>
>> will this be PRESs N PEEL? or real boards (either would be very useful)
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> check out various dan music at:
>>
>> http://www.myspace.com/lossnyc
>>
>> (updated monthly)
>>
>> http://www.soundclick.com/lossnyc.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.indie911.com/dan-snazelle
>>
>> (or for techno) http://www.myspace.com/snazelle
>>
>> ALSO check out Dan synth/Fx projects:
>>
>> AUDIO ARK:
>>
>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJRpvaOcUic
>>
>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqIa_lXQNTA&feature=channel_page
>>
>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4nJPjGgOcU&feature=channel_page
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:51:21 -0700
>>> From: lightburnx at yahoo.com
>>> Subject: RE: [sdiy] Random Tone Generator redux
>>> To: synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl
>>>
>>>
>>> That's another good idea, having the board in and of itself have a degree of modularity. There's potential to cook the random tone gen, some variation on that, or a bend matrix... lot's of possibilities.
>>>
>>> You'll get more harmonic content with sawtooth (teeth? heh) waves. The 4046/4024 waveshaper will do that for you, though the standard square out could be put into an external VCO's sync, kinda expanding your palette.
>>>
>>> This is based off an MIT design, right? I can't find the link myself now, but I recall there were two samples on the page for it...
>>>
>>>
>>> _Kyle
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 3/25/09, Ian Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Ian Smith
>>>> Subject: RE: [sdiy] Random Tone Generator redux
>>>> To: "synth diy"
>>>> Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 7:25 AM
>>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> I think to keep feature creep down to whatever people feel
>>>> comfortable with I'll set up the board so you can include or
>>>> omit ins and outs as you prefer. I'm kinda wavering on the
>>>> suboscillator on the output because of the low range
>>>> switch.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking about putting the external clocks after
>>>> Schmitts B and C using switched jacks normalized for the
>>>> internal clocks so you disconnect the internal clocks by
>>>> plugging into the jack. the question is, would anything work
>>>> to clock the 4051s or do I need to put something in to
>>>> convert an external signal to a 0/+5V square wave?
>>>>
>>>> Definitely using the transistor VCA, again with either an
>>>> internal modulation using another Schmitt trigger or with an
>>>> external input.
>>>>
>>>> Outs from the clocks (schmitts B and C) with possible
>>>> switches to allow clock through from the external clock
>>>> jacks.
>>>>
>>>> I feel obliged to have an output level control because most
>>>> existing modules don't have input level controls, except
>>>> maybe some filters that have built in mixers (MFOS). This
>>>> brings up another qiestion of a module of multiples that
>>>> have attenuators before every out....
>>>>
>>>> If this was a stand alone unit, I would be tempted to add a
>>>> filter or two, but as this is intended for a modular unit,
>>>> no filter.
>>>>
>>>> How do people feel about it outputting two or three
>>>> different waveforms?
>>>>
>>>> As for sound... I have to admit haven't breadboarded this
>>>> incarnation of the thing yet, but the last one I did which
>>>> had 4020s instead of 4024s was rather trilly between a few
>>>> of the notes depending on how the clocks were set. I'm going
>>>> to try to get this version breadboarded sometime next week
>>>> because this week is a little hectic.
>>>>
>>>> -Ian
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:16:43 -0700
>>>>> From: lightburnx at yahoo.com
>>>>> Subject: RE: [sdiy] Random Tone Generator redux
>>>>> To: synth-diy at dropmix.xs4all.nl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been talking to Ian off list, and thus far we
>>>> got:
>>>>>
>>>>> -4024 as a suboscillator on the output; individual
>>>> outs and/or summed staircase out
>>>>> -The bigger divisions off the 4024 can work as CV or
>>>> gates
>>>>> -Spare Schmitts modulating existing Schmitts A, B, or
>>>> C with Vactrols
>>>>> -MFOS WSG tricks, like a transistor VCA
>>>>> -Multiple, buffered taps out from within the circuit,
>>>> pending they give dramatically different enough outputs
>>>>> -External clock/line in (again, to Schmitts A, B, or
>>>> C), not unlike this guitar FX design here:
>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/tpe123/folkurban/fuzz/pwm.gif
>>>>>
>>>>> As for a dirt simple filter, maybe a rotary switch
>>>> with various cap values on the output. I reckon it'd keep
>>>> feature creep down (not that it hasn't been chugging along
>>>> already) to let an external filter do the work.
>>>>>
>>>>> And by way of waveshaping, there's some interesting
>>>> stuff to be had here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/picsynth/sawtooth.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Main site: http://www.geocities.com/picsynth/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, I'm curious how the beast sounds as is too!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _Kyle
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Colin Hinz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Colin Hinz
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [sdiy] Random Tone Generator redux
>>>>>> To: "synth diy"
>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:26 PM
>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Ian Smith
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's a link to a schematic that I drew up
>>>> for that
>>>>>> pseudo-random tone
>>>>>>> generator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.sdiy.org/modius13/randtonereduxschem.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting! How does it sound?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there's anything anyone can think of to add
>>>> to it
>>>>>> feature-wise
>>>>>>> that would make it a decent module, I'm open
>>>> to
>>>>>> suggestions.
>>>>>>> (trigger outputs, different waveforms,
>>>> multiple voices
>>>>>> in one
>>>>>>> package, etc.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Output level control, with perhaps some dumb
>>>> simple
>>>>>> waveshaping or
>>>>>> filtering?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Colin
>>>>>>
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