[sdiy] trying to understand appregiators in late 70's synths

[Bob Weigel]

Sorry for not being clear there, but as to top posting it is just 
something that I often do :-). ** (Below if you want to read my 
philosophy on why I deliberately do this in most instances as a courtesy 
to others.  Sorry it didn't work out that way in this one..)

Anyway I was talking about Jupiter 4.  Like I said I *just* got the 
first Jupiter 6 I've ever had a chance to play with much on my bench.  
The arpeggiator is more like the Polysix it seems in feel.  And indeed 
while sure it's on a clock, It's just different in how it interfaces.  I 
haven't analyzed exactly what it is they did different.  But when I play 
a JP4 it seems to almost...anticipate what I want it to do.  And I can 
do really complex things without it doing something that sounds like "Oh 
crud did he hit the wrong set of things THERE!".  hehe.  Jp6 native 
(without Europa) is pretty good but not as good in that way for me.  
Closer to the way it was done in polysix and mono/poly.  I should do a 
recording of the two and let you guys hear what I'm talking about 
probably.  I'll play nearly identically as I can a passage on those 
arpeggiators and upload it today if I get a chance.    There is already 
a sample of me playing some jp4 arpeggiation on the sounddoctorin.com 
page in the sdstudio section.  Hit 'studio map' and then the bank of 
keyboards that is listed below with the jp4 in it. -Bob

**  It frankly annoys me when people do not top post in most cases 
because I have to re-sort through everything to figure out where the new 
part of the post is which is sometimes extensive and sometimes people 
weave things in between stuff and I miss it if I don't look carefully.  
(ie. the logic works like this.  I'm a busy guy and assume others are 
too.  I can't read every post.  I look for things that I'm interested in 
right now.  I glance and if it's not something I currently have need to 
read I quickly hit delete and move on.  Others want to read that, they 
don't hit delete.  Great.  We all have different interests no problem.  
So optimally I like to see immediately the latest thing someone said in 
a discussion.  Even discussions I wasn't initially interested in *might* 
have something tacked on that I am interested in. But if people bottom 
post I just assume probably not and delete before I even see it often.  
Just because it time averages out to my advantage that way.)

I'm one of those guys who works all the numbers and optimizes everything 
:-).  Most conversations are of limited nesting unless people get into 
an argument where they're insulting each other or something and I don't 
give a flying rip about how those things go :-)  But when I top post 
it's so that someone can glance and BOOM move onto the next post if it's 
not something they are immediately interested in.  Chances are they've 
already seen the stuff below.  Why would they want to take even 4 
seconds to maneuver down and find what I said.  Multiply that 4 seconds 
by 30 posts a day for a lot of us and that's 2 minutes a day.  Multiple 
that by 365 and that's 700 minutes a year and so on.

  The only time I recommend NOT top posting is when it's a thing that 
requires some detailed interaction with the text below.  I used to like 
the vi editor because it was so quick to do a line by line reply in.  
With the little >> 's instead of the lines that I still don't know how 
to get rid of sometimes.  But anyway I probably should have done that 
kind of reply in this case to reduce ambiguity...I dunno.

Andre Majorel wrote:

>On 2009-01-03 20:16 -0700, Bob Weigel wrote:
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>>Doug Terrebonne wrote:
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>>>The ultimate arpeggiator is the Europa Jupiter-6. Check out all
>>>the features here -
>>>http://www.synthcom.com/Europa/support/EuropaUserGuideV1.0.pdf
>>>
>>>I think the earliest synth with an arpeggiator was the
>>>Jupiter-4 in 1979. Anyone know of one earlier?
>>>
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>>It's also one of the best in my opinion :-).  Other arpeggiators
>>you  have to hit right on the money or it's train wreck time.
>>Eg. Akai AX60  eg. Korg poly's etc.
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>Because you top-post, when you write "it", it's not clear whether
>you're referring to the Jupiter-4 or Jupiter-6.
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>How can the output of an arpeggiator be a train wreck ? I thought
>notes were produced according to the clock, not to when the key
>was pressed...
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